#102 - "License To Drive" (1988) with Nicholas Pepin from "Pop Culture Roulette" Podcast

Attendees: Nicholas Pepin, Timothy Williams

This transcript of the full unedited recording was computer generated and might contain errors. 

Timothy Williams: Are you ready for a high octane Adventure through the tumultuous world of teenager rebellion and Automotive Mayhem then jump into the driver seat because it's time to ReDiscover the laughter High Jinx and teenage romance that made this 80s flick of beloved cult classic in the sun soap suburbs of California. We meet the Love Sick teenager list Anderson, who's one goal in life is to earn his driver. License and impressed the girl of his dreams Mercedes Lane. However, when Les fails is driving test he embarks on a wild and Reckless Journey with his two friends after borrowing his grandfather's prized Cadillac for a night of Adventure what follows a zany Knight filled with numerous car chases unconscious dates and less discovering the confidence. He didn't realize he had so grab your keys to the caddy avoid the no parking zones and meet us at Archie's Drive-In as Nicholas Pepin and I discuss license to drive from 1988 on this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast.

Timothy Williams: So glad to have you on this episode of the podcast and I'm so glad to have my friend Nicholas Pepin back with us from pop culture roulette to talk about license to drive with the two quarries. How you doing, Nicholas?

nicholas pepin: Quite good. I'm glad to be here for this one.

Timothy Williams: yeah. I know you're excited about when I sit out the list of movies ever coming up you were quick on this one's like we've got to do it. Let's do it.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, it's I mean we'll get here in a second, but it's been a long time since I watched this movie.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah same.

nicholas pepin: But it was shocking how much of it I remembered.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, for sure and we'll get into it. there's a lot of parallels or similarities with other movies as I was watches. I feel like I've seen this in something else or this feels not really borrowed but just, some certain cliches that you just kind of see in a lot of these movies,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: especially from the 80s for So, all right before we jump all the way in I do want to thank our International listeners in the United Kingdom Brazil,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Canada, Australia Germany, Austria and France. Thank you guys so much for listening to the podcast and I hope you enjoyed this episode as well. All right, Nicholas, let's Jump Right In. When did you see license to drive for the very first time was this a theater or VHS or cable?

nicholas pepin: VHS, I don't remember the kids name. I had a friend when I was living in Memphis and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: hung out with him a lot and I remember going over to his house and Friday nights or Saturday nights and…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: and his parents would rent us a couple movies. And this was one of them and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: I must have liked it so much that I got my parents to rent it for me. Because I feel like there's no way I remember it as well as I do if I only saw the one time back in 1988.

Timothy Williams: For sure. 8 yeah 88

nicholas pepin: Yeah, and yeah, there's no way that many years ago. I saw out the one time so I must have watched it a bunch of times because I remember like you said there's definitely a few scenes that I'm like this seems familiar.

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: But yeah, no, I mean it's just so much of this movie. I was like, I remember that line. I remember Are you there's definitely kind of?

nicholas pepin: Homages there was definitely parts of…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: what I was like this has a better off dead feel. the

Timothy Williams: It does. Yeah, I don't want to say it's uneven because it's enjoyable, but you can tell it's trying to be a lot of different types of movies kind of jumbled together. he breaks the fourth wall in one point where it's very Ferris Bueller's Day Off and then there's other parts that are a little bit adventures and babysitting and with the chases and the bad guys are not the bad guys like the chase scenes and…

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nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: stuff And then some of the sound effects were a little bit more goofy than they probably needed to be.

nicholas pepin: I mean this movie definitely dates itself. I mean it is Hardcore 80s.

Timothy Williams: Yes, yes. Yes.

nicholas pepin: I mean it is right down to the soundtrack in the clothes The Outfits the head the hair

Timothy Williams: We'll say that. we'll talk about the hair too. The soundtrack Going Back is I remember a lot of these songs. I mean, they weren't Originals for the movie. They were just the popular songs of the time and they would just kind of insert them for just just in the background…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: because when I was going through and looking at because a lot of things I pulled up on the movie had the soundtrack and songs are on the soundtrack and then songs that were featured in the movie that didn't put on the soundtrack and then they took out one of the Pebbles songs and put in in excess one of their songs for a VHS release because they lost the rights, but then they put it back in later because the version I watched didn't have the in excess song in it, but

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I don't remember. it's like I'm not super familiar with INXS. I mean, I know they're bigger stuff but I don't …

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it was one of their popular songs of the time.

nicholas pepin: okay. Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: I just remember which song it is off top my head.

nicholas pepin: then the version I watched definitely didn't have the nxs,…

Timothy Williams: No, no.

nicholas pepin: .

Timothy Williams: Yeah, so yeah, so for me. I don't think I saw this in the theater. If I did it wasn't a super memorable experience besides knowing I think this is probably one. I'm sure I rented and what in 88 I would have been. Yeah, I was in Maryland. So that was probably one of the library that we check I would check out multiple times during the summer and…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: just watch over and over again. I don't remember this being really a cable movie that was Off the top of my head, but I remember watching it many times and I probably recorded the TV version, had my own version of it at some point.

nicholas pepin: yeah, since I didn't have cable until 96, I'm pretty sure that it must have been something that I rented a couple of times so

Timothy Williams: right Yeah. Yeah, but late 80s. He had cable, but at that time. I wasn't watching stuff on cable as much as I was renting because you could rent it quicker than it was on cable. So if it was when I probably rented first and then if it goes on cable, I would watch it whenever it was on and it just happened to be on So how long has it been with we will say it's been a while. So how long has it been since you've watched it?

nicholas pepin: Yeah. I honestly don't remember. I'm guessing I probably Stumbled across it on TV in the last 20 30 years and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: watched it here there because I mean, like I said, I remember it so vividly and so I mean there were parts of it. I didn't quite remember but there were large chunks of it. it's like yeah, that I must have seen it more recently than 1988.

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah for me it had been a long time, but I think Probably likes within the last 10 years right before we moved from Jacksonville. It was on one in the streaming services before back then there was only Amazon Prime and Hulu I think so it was on Warner those and I was like, my gosh, I haven't seen this movie in so long and I watched it. I was like it's cheesy and it's very dated but it's still was enjoyable and there were still parts of it that I like brought back good memories and made me laugh so it's still been a while because even if I saw it seven years ago watching it again this weekend. like you said, I was stuff that I remembered or knew. this is about to happen or this is coming up but there were still some parts that I was like I didn't remember at all.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So, all let's jump in a little bit into story origin of pre-production and I will stay up front. There was nothing I could find anywhere that was a good story of how this movie came about. I didn't watch a couple of the behind the scenes interviews that they did with the quarries and it seemed to be a script that I kind of been floated around for a while. I did see two differing Statements and I went with the one that made the most sense to me and it was originally intended to be more of a drama. But after the success of Ferris Bueller's Day Off. The decision them was made to rewrite the script as a comedy. There was another one that said that it was a failed article for National Lampoon and I was like that.

Timothy Williams: Doesn't seem as accurate to me that that's what it was and then there was something like John Hughes was gonna direct that I was like, no he wasn't this is not a John he's movie and…

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nicholas pepin: no.

Timothy Williams: he doesn't direct movies. He doesn't right. So, the internet doesn't always true. Go figure.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I did a little research here there. I saw a couple of those things. But yeah, you're right. It doesn't make any sense for John Hughes to have you can see his influence on it and…

Timothy Williams: influenced right right

nicholas pepin: I think I agree with you that I definitely see where the script was. And what it became after. after Ferris Bueller,…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: I'm guessing after better off dead after even Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Adventures in Babysitting kind of yeah

nicholas pepin: Yeah, in fact there was one and we'll get there in a second. I'm sure but there was one.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

nicholas pepin: There's another movie that I think influenced a big set piece in the beginning.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I think we might be thinking the same thing with when we get there.

nicholas pepin: Okay.

Timothy Williams: We'll get there. So the other thing I was gonna say this was the directorial debut of Greg Beaman who went on to direct such Classics as Mom and Dad saved the world in 1992.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Problem Child 3 and 95 and bushwhacked in 95 He mainly worked in TV sense.

nicholas pepin: 

Timothy Williams: He doesn't have the best track record, but I will say of the movies listed. This is by far my favorite Greg Beaman film.

nicholas pepin: Yeah his movie career at least kind of. Took a huge downturn after this one.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah. my goodness. All right. let's before you get into casting so the scene at the beginning. Did it bring back memories of nightmare Elm Street to Freddy's Dead?

nicholas pepin: Absolutely, I had and I had to look it up to see what's one came first because I couldn't remember and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: I was like, yeah, there's no way that they didn't see Freddy's dead or Whatever Freddy movie that was you said.

Timothy Williams: Freddy's Revenge,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, Freddy's Revenge Freddy Nightmare on Elm Street too and…

Timothy Williams: I think is what yeah. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: go we can do that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it's like okay, there's a dream sequence. He's on the bus the bus is out of control and I'm like wait a minute. I've seen this before and…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I've seen this recently because I've watched Amino Street part 2 in the last year. So I was like did they really just steal that or it's just a weird coincidence?

nicholas pepin: I don't know. I mean but there's no way that there wasn't some sort of. Liberal borrowing

Timothy Williams: Mm- We've seen this done before let's just change it a little bit.

nicholas pepin: I'm so glad that you saw it as well and I wasn't just me…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: because

Timothy Williams: Same because surely Nicholas was seeing this, he's gonna notice this too and I didn't catch it really until the second time. I watched it because I watched it twice before recording and this seems oddly familiar and not because I just watched it two days ago. It was like no this feels like Timothy and I had to remember which I remember which Nightmare and I'm sure I was that's the second one. He starts in the bus, right?

nicholas pepin: Yeah, it was the second one. Yeah, I know exactly what Nightmare on Elm Street was I just didn't remember the time frame.

Timothy Williams: Gotcha, which one came first?

nicholas pepin: And then I did have to make sure it was the second one. But I could remember it was the one that Was not the one that really followed the Canon with the rest of The Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: But yeah, I was like Yeah, I mean it was so I mean obviously Back in 88 I would not have seen that movie. So this would have been the only reference I had to it…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. right Mm-hmm.

nicholas pepin: because I was not allowed to watch those movies back then but this time I watched it. I'm like yeah. Yeah, I see what you did there Greg.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. I probably saw these are right 87 88 was about when I was watching The Nightmare Elm Street movies, but I was watching so much stuff back. Then I'm probably didn't even recognize the correlation but it's funny to think that we both saw this time. So, all right good now that we got that out of the way because I think we're both chomping in a bit. I don't want to forget about this later. Let's talk about it now.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, pretty much.

Timothy Williams: All let's jump into casting. So of course the Stars the two quarries we'll talk and I've talked about both quarries and previous movies because they were both on Lost Boys which we covered before but I'll still do a quick kind of overview of their careers Corey Haim as less Anderson. He started a number of 80s films such as silver bullet and 85 as well as Murphy's Romance and 85 Lucas and 86 and they followed up this one would Dream a Little Dream in 89 his roll alongside Corey film and Lost Boys 87 made him a household name. They were known as the two quarries the duo became 80's icons and appeared together in seven films all together later starring in the A&E American reality show the two quarries Hames early success led to money and fame. He had difficulty breaking away from the trauma of his experience as a child actor and was troubled about drug addiction throughout his adult life. And unfortunately, he died of pneumonia on March 10th 2010. So he's been gone almost 14 years now, so

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nicholas pepin: I saw that and I thought it was way earlier than 2010…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I did too.

nicholas pepin: but Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I was thinking that was late 90s, but he had been out of the spotlight for a while. So it wasn't like,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but still sad I didn't watch any of the reality show when it came on. but I saw in his interview. He said that he liked the film but this is so funny. He was bothered by seeing the habit of keeping his mouth open in many scenes throughout the film and it is funny after seeing that interview. He does every facial expression his mouth is open and he says his mom would say you catching flies with that mouth trying to get him to break the Habit. He said that's the only thing he doesn't watch about right we watching the movie is seeing his mouth open all the time. Which is pretty funny.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I watched that I watched it. I always try to watch that movie twice before I do one of these episodes I watched it and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: then I read all the trivia. It's the second time.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and then watched again.

nicholas pepin: I watched it. I was like, yeah, I can't not see it now.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I know exactly.

nicholas pepin: Like I did the first time I watched it it didn't occur to…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: I never thought and then I read that and I saw it and I'm like, Yep. There it is it

Timothy Williams: Mm- close your mouth. So then we got Corey Feldman as Dean. I feel like his name was Dean and Drew me a Little Dream, but it was Dinger. So I don't remember as a youth it became well known for his roles in 80s films such as Friday the 13th the final chapter in 84, would you covered Gremlins at 84 which we covered Goonies and 85 which was covered Stand By Me 86, which we've covered.

Timothy Williams: I've obviously a Feldman podcast he experienced diminishing success in the film industry as an adult amid. publicized personal conflicts with aim over Haim substance abuse and with Michael Jackson who would befriended him during his time as a teen celebrity wound and jump into that part of his life. Feldman has said interviews that his heart sank. When you heard Hayne beat him out for the lead role one more time when this had already happened with Lost Boys Lucas and Murphy's Romance, the two were best friends, but also Fierce Rivals, which that's the only place ever saw that they were Fierce Rivals, but I do know that he did audition for less and they said that he had auditioned four or five times for the role of less and then they went with ham which I'm probably thinking that they knew he was a better fit for the friend and I will say watching the movie and I'm soccer here, but ham is a much better actor than Feldman is anyway, so

nicholas pepin: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Feldman is great in the roles that he is.

Timothy Williams: and it's evident.

nicholas pepin: I don't know

Timothy Williams: Yes. No,…

nicholas pepin: if he would be a lead.

Timothy Williams: he has that sidekick character. So well handled. he would have to do something completely different to be in a lead. He can't play the typical type role he does and be the lead. I don't think

nicholas pepin: No.

Timothy Williams: and then fun fact neither Corey felba nor Cory Haim had driver's license when filming started. So neither one of them you had to drive a car so I know him got his license. he was filming so he got to do some of the driving. in the movie

nicholas pepin: Are movies that they actually filmed people who were of the age?

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: That they were filming or came and Feldman both got their license very late and life.

Timothy Williams: No, I think they were 16 around the time. So yeah pretty accurate.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, we'll skip that part. I was gonna talk about their drug-fueled days and I'm almost skip over that part. Yeah. So moving along to other people in the cast Carol Kane as Mrs. Anderson, of course, we talked about her on The Princess Bride, but she became known in the 70s and eighties in films such as Dog Day Afternoon and 75 Annie Hall and 77 The Princess Bride in 87 and Scrooge's at 88 which was in Scrooge we cover that as well. She also appeared in the television series Taxi in the early 80s as Simca gravis the wife of Winning two Emmy Awards for her work. She also played the character of Madame morable the musical Wicked both in touring Productions on Broadway from 2005 to 2014. But Carol Kane is fantastic and whatever. she's so fun.

nicholas pepin: And she brings the quality no matter what role is.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: She's in her unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt was

Timothy Williams: Yes, one of my favorites favorite Netflix shows as well. Yeah. She was great on that her voice is completely unmissable.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: But yeah, she's great. I enjoyed her in this. Richard Maser or Musser as Mr. Robert Anderson his dad. I felt like he had been in a lot of things which he has but he appeared on episode of The Waltons as well as an episode of All in the Family in late 1974 had a recurring role on Rhoda and one day at a time his movie credits include the thing in Risky Business 83 My Science Project 85 shoot to kill an 88 my girl and 91 as well as its Sequel and Encino Man in 1992. but I think they were a great mom and dad hair up.

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nicholas pepin: He was also in it,…

Timothy Williams: Played really well off each other.

nicholas pepin: wasn't he?

Timothy Williams: He was yeah,…

Timothy Williams: he was part of that cast yet the TV movie version in the 80s.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, okay. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: But he's great in the thing. He was good and I remember his role in Risky Business as much but he's great in the thing. He's good and shoot to kill that's another forgotten 80s flick. That's really good.

nicholas pepin: he was a great movie dad

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. He fit that role. except that will roll. And then let's talk about Heather Graham as Mercedes Lane the worst named character of the movie.

nicholas pepin: And come on. They only named her Mercedes Lane to make the joke that they made towards the end of the movie.

Timothy Williams: several jokes,…

Timothy Williams: they had two jokes like the

nicholas pepin: Yes several.

nicholas pepin: Okay the two jokes in particular. But yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, but you saw that line coming at the end. I mean when he's off from the BMW say no.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Thanks Dad already got a Mercedes was like you named her Mercedes just to put that joke in the script and that's terrible.

nicholas pepin: that one and I never thought I'd see a Mercedes in the trunk of them Cadillac.

Timothy Williams: Yeah fit in the truck of a Cadillac. Yeah, and I was like that one really wasn't funny. I mean it was just like you're forcing this at this point, but yeah,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but anyway Heather Graham, this was her first starring role in a feature film followed by the critically acclaimed film Drugstore Cowboy in 89. She then played supporting roles in the TV series Twin Peaks in 90 went 91 and in films such as six degrees of separation and 93 and swingers in 96,…

nicholas pepin: Okay.

Timothy Williams: but she gained critical praise for her role as roller girl in the film Boogie Nights in 97. This led to Major roles in the comedy films both finger and Austin Powers The Spy Who shag me both the 99. She had leading roles and Say It Isn't So in 2001 and from hell in 2001 and continued to play supporting roles in the films Mary in 2005 The Hangover in 2009 and its sequel Hangover Part 3 in 2013. She has also had roles on television series such as scrubs in 2004. She's been a lot. but I can honestly say That when I rewatch this probably seven years ago,…

nicholas pepin: Yes.

Timothy Williams: whatever. I did not remember that Heather Graham was in this movie like I did not know. That was the same. Person that had been and all these other movies later in life.

nicholas pepin: I mean, I don't I mean rewatching it I knew going into it like Heather Graham is in this because it's one of those things eight.

Timothy Williams: 

nicholas pepin: Do you remember that Heather Graham's first movie as yeah, I mean, but I didn't necessarily remember When I watched it back in the 80s, obviously it was the two quarries…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: because they were beginning towards the height of their popularity.

Timothy Williams: Of course. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Am like this is…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: what turned her into kind of this, gave her the jumping point to turn her into the superstar that she ended up becoming with her.

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Absolutely terrible hair.

Timothy Williams: Yes, the of all the hair in the 80s. Yeah, I have another thing about her hair later we get into trivia, but that I thought was interesting, but we'll get there.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, did you like her in this role? Did you think I mean, I will say this. Watching the second time. I think I was even more. I caught on more that she's asleep. You have this movie she has this big part at the beginning. And then it's who thought it was fun to make her unconscious. For the entire second half of the movie she just becomes a totally unnecessary character at that point.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I mean. she's just set dressing a certain point.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: It could have been Courtney Cox or Jennifer Aniston. I mean it could have been anybody in that role and You would have gotten the same performing. It wasn't like this is what it had it. This didn't break Heather Graham because the people were like, my God, she was so amazing in this movie. It was just She's a pretty face and she was good for what they gave which was next to nothing.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what bothered me more kind of watching it now. It's like I wish they would have given her more to do and made her a little bit more of the story as it went going but just let's make her drink a whole thing of champagne and be drunk and then pass out. So

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nicholas pepin: We've all had our days, I'm 45. So, I've lived a life I've had some days.

Timothy Williams: You've had some days look like you right.

nicholas pepin: I don't know if I've ever been that drunk. where I've passed out somebody put me in a trunk and…

Timothy Williams: right

nicholas pepin: then a day later, I woke up and couldn't remember any of it

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and all the things that car goes through in the trunk, which you probably couldn't breathe very well, in the back seat,…

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: there's and how is she still asleep it? Just yeah that

nicholas pepin: Yeah, there was definitely parts of this movie that stretched. the Reality,…

Timothy Williams: For Yeah, logic wasn't part of this movie at all.

nicholas pepin: ?

Timothy Williams: And we'll talk more about that as we get into goof. So I'm waiting to get to towards the end. But I read some that I didn't want to put in there because it's like I can see that but there were three things that I noticed while watching it that just for glaringly obvious to me, but we'll Stay All right, so we'll move on to Michael. Minessari as Charles. that's the third friend who I totally forgot was in this movie until it started doesn't like

nicholas pepin: Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Timothy Williams: He appeared on Broadway. We shared the stage with entertainment Legend Yul Brynner and starred in four television series in Hollywood in 1990s. He was one of the stars of the long-running TV comedy Weird Science saw alongside John Asher and Vanessa Angel which can be found on various digital platforms online. He's more into producing and writing and stuff now but another forgettable character I didn't understand why he was there. at all besides just take a bunch of pictures of the beginning in which didn't he has a camera. He's taking these pictures and then it just becomes a lost plot Point later on so

nicholas pepin: Yeah, yeah, and then it became kind of one of the 80s icky plot points.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah. Yeah, the gag was there just to have them take pictures of her while she's unconscious. And then you don't really see the camera again after that. So it's like it was only there for that moment.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah pretty cringy And I felt bad for Heather Graham at that point. I'm like she had this in their contract that they were good, it has some crazy moments when they have the moments when they're at the party and they're all talking about what kind of guessing…

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: what kind of car a girl would lose her virginity and I was like, yeah, this is pretty crude, but you…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: there's a lot cruder teen comedies made then so I guess Yes,…

nicholas pepin: right, and we'd already covered one of those and Ridgemont High so

Timothy Williams: we have. but the things watching it much younger, I really Wouldn't say it was over my head, but I didn't recognize it as much as I do now probably. Yeah, the definitely wasn't 16 when I saw this so.

nicholas pepin: Correct.

Timothy Williams: All right, and then we got Nina simasco as Natalie Anderson. And when I saw the last name, I was like I wonder and yes, one of her brothers is actor Casey samasco who was in Young Guns and three o'clock high.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Right, right.

nicholas pepin: Uncommon for it not her at least be a cousin. I was like sister. Yeah, okay.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, so her other brother Corky is a writer for Daily News and a reporter at NBC News. She attended the theater school at DePaul University. She played undercover cop and Reservoir Dogs. And featured in a scene that wound up on The Cutting Room floors, and she worked with Tarantino and has no proof to show it it was released on but it was released on DVD. So should it's on a deleted scene? She played Mia Farrow in the CBS miniseries some nacho. She's probably best known for her film roles and little noises in 92 the saint of Fort Washington 93 and for her role as Eleanor Bartlett and Paying from 2001 to 2006. so she looked Vaguely Familiar in the movie, but I couldn't tell you anything else that she was in or has been in since then so it doesn't…

nicholas pepin: No.

Timothy Williams: but thought she would get a mention just because she was on The West Wing Fellowship you get a mention so My favorite before they were famous Cameo is definitely James Avery as less as DMV Examiner. Of course, he is Philip Banks from Fresh Prince of Air. He was also judge Michael Conover on La law. He was in The Brady Bunch Movie and on the show The Closer, of course, he was the voice actor for Shredder and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And he also was a voice of Herald has he been and Aladdin which I did not know that until today when I did so

nicholas pepin: I don't think I knew that until you just told me.

Timothy Williams: But if you're playing along at home, he also has another before he was famous Cameo and another eighties we've covered already not with you, but you know, what other movie that was.

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nicholas pepin: I forgot. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: After the Trivia episode, he was in Fletch. He was one of the police officers that catch Chevy Chase when he comes into his apartment,…

nicholas pepin: Yes.

Timothy Williams: And…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: then we've got the other I guess somewhat of a cameo because I know he looked familiar grant goodeve as Natalie's DMV examiner. His earliest role was on a fifth season episode of emergency in the 70s. He was then signed on as a cast member of Eight is Enough taking over a role played in the series pilot episode by Mark Hamill. So he took Mark Hamill's place and Eight is Enough because Mark Hamill was filming Star Wars. He had guest roles on Love Boat TJ, hooker Dynasty and Fantasy Island. He also appeared in episodes of Murder She Wrote and Seventh Heaven. so

nicholas pepin: Okay.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and you had a familiar face, of course, you're much older but that's probably why. I only put this in here because it's just interesting me the guy who played Carl Natalie's boyfriend. His name is Grant haslove. He's not a name that I would recognize.

nicholas pepin: It was the name. I immediately recognized. yeah,…

Timothy Williams: You did okay, okay.

nicholas pepin: but I don't know him so much as an actor as for what else he has become later in life.

Timothy Williams: He's been producer and writing collaborator with George Clooney and has earned for Oscar nominations and as a producer of Argo in 2012. He received the Academy Award for Best Picture in 2013. As an actor he's appeared in films including True Lies and 94 which were not when I read that I was like, I'm ruin that black sheep and 96 Enemy of the State and 98 and The Scorpion King in 2002. He's also performed in supporting roles in several films made with George Clooney.

nicholas pepin: And he's become a big-time producer. Not just a George Clooney stuff,…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: but I think he's done. I think that wasn't even producer on.

nicholas pepin: Geez.

nicholas pepin: the Jason Bateman show

Timothy Williams: The new one that's on Netflix or…

nicholas pepin: No, no, no, no.

Timothy Williams: Arrested Development. Okay.

nicholas pepin: No the Yes Arrested Development because I think he does a lot of stuff with Ron Howard as well. I could be wrong.

Timothy Williams: I could say that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I could see that.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, but he's definitely known more now as a producer than an actor.

Timothy Williams: Mm- for sure.

nicholas pepin: I mean, he still shows up and…

nicholas pepin: acting in here and there but yeah like that. I saw Grant haslaw's name in the for and the credits. I'm like, wow, this must have been when he was just an actor and…

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: then I saw him. I'm like, yeah, that's the guy.

Timothy Williams: I remembered him as being in with True Lies is not an 80s movies we talk about it, but I know he's the guy that's holding the camera when the battery dies when the main villain is giving his big speech and he doesn't want to tell him that the batteries that's…

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: why I recognize immediately from that And then the last cast member we'll cover because it's only one that's probably worth mentioning. Here we go, Michael Ensign as the school teacher bus driver his film credits include Superman and 78 Pink Floyd's The Wall and 82 war games in 83. He was in Ghostbusters in 84. He was in Titanic in '97 Bringing Down the House in 2003 and Seabiscuit in 2003. He's also been in all these television shows Boston Legal Threes Company Alias monk Jag CSI Star Trek Enterprise The X-Files friends Trek Voyager Star Trek Deep Space Nine Star Trek the Next Generation MacGyver send the guy were twice. No MacGyver Dynasty Falcon Crest, Mass 18 and the Dukes of Hazzard.

Timothy Williams: he is definitely that guy of this movie for sure.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Timothy Williams: right right Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't tell you who he wasn't Superman or Ghostbusters or war games for that matter, but I've seen all those movies multiple times. So I'm sure that when I watch it again there's that guy from license to drive that other movie that he was in that nobody remembers.

Timothy Williams: So anybody in the cast you wanted I failed to mention or anybody you want to talk a little bit more about or Okay, James Avery and Grant has love.

Timothy Williams: yeah, all right good and then the lady at the DMV she's been at a bunch of stuff too, but not as much that I recognize but she seemed familiar, but she doesn't like every other scary old lady that is there to scare you in those movies, so All right. Let's talk favorite scenes. Does this movie have an iconic scene if someone said license to drive? What's the scene that immediately Pops in your head?

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Timothy Williams: Okay the coffee cup. Yes. Hey, yeah coffee. Right, right.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Timothy Williams: Yes, yes.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yes. Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I just wrote down that guy.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, you see his face and you're like, yeah that guy. Yeah, because I couldn't have told you exactly…

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah, and the crazy thing is I took drivers ed in high school…

nicholas pepin: what I was like, but as soon as I started going through his IMDb,…

Timothy Williams: because I live in Maryland. It was a requirement you had before you got to learn from it at 15 you had to take drivers.

nicholas pepin: I'm like I don't really know if I know him exactly from this but I've seen that I've I've seen that I've seen yeah,…

Timothy Williams: That's all the schools offered it or…

nicholas pepin: so I've seen him in one of these multiples of these things.

Timothy Williams: for school. Didn't you had to take a class weekend class or whatever defensive driving class. So I remember once I got into driver's ed. all I think about was the movie, license to drive and thinking that's what a driving test was gonna be like But yeah, the Corey Haines said that he actually did the parallel park himself in the movie that was the parallel park coach that was pretty good which makes me laugh…

nicholas pepin: No, you hit the two guys.

Timothy Williams: because when funny story when I was doing my driving test,…

nicholas pepin: I wrote down so.

Timothy Williams: which I was completely nervous about

nicholas pepin: no grant has love and Michael Ensign, so

Timothy Williams: In preparing for it. I never parallel parking was the worst thing I could do. It was the one thing I was the most freaked out about but I could do a three-point turn like nobody's business. And those are the two big things in the test that you had to pass when I did my test I messed up the a five-point turn.

nicholas pepin: Yeah. right

Timothy Williams: He's like you bomb that just move on and I nailed the parallel parking. I was like, how did I get the parallel parking right about driving test and miss and…

nicholas pepin: the driving exam with James Avery I don't believe in.

Timothy Williams: the only thing I missed was pulling out of the parking lot of the DMV.

nicholas pepin: I don't believe in clipboards.

Timothy Williams: I forgot to turn on my turn signal and…

nicholas pepin: I got this I love my coffee and…

Timothy Williams: made a right when I'm in a right hand turn.

nicholas pepin: don't like being burned or yeah, that scene. And then I mean there's a series of chases, there's that one and…

Timothy Williams: Mm- I don't think so.

nicholas pepin: then there's the car chase that makes up the bat last half of the movie,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, my dad was happy…

nicholas pepin: but I would say you honestly like that whole DMV scene must have made an impact on me enough that …

Timothy Williams: because I think you got a discount on the insurance by taking it.

nicholas pepin: because that I remembered more than anything else like the computer tests and then him taking the driving exam because I was like, I would have been 10 when the movie came out…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

nicholas pepin: but I definitely would have already been like I can't wait to drive. So the driving exam when I was like,…

Timothy Williams: Did your driver instructor did he have one of those extra breaks on the passenger side in the car?

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, we yeah. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Mm-hmm.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yep. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah. That was the thing. it looked like all the cars in this movie that were taking the test were owned by the DMV They were the same making model, but they were all very similar white cars very small. But yeah, I don't think my drivers when I saw my driver's test we had to drive our own car, but for my driver's education class,…

nicholas pepin: I can't remember…

Timothy Williams: they had a school car that had the teacher that said in the pastors that he had a break that he could stop the car…

nicholas pepin: what I did or didn't do on my driving test. I don't remember if Georgia required driver's ed. But my parents did yeah.

Timothy Williams: if he needed to.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. no. No. Yeah, which your own car? Yeah, I don't remember…

nicholas pepin: No, no. No, there was no not taking it.

Timothy Williams: what I remember which car I took it. I know we had a minivan at the time but I was like, there's no way I'm gonna use this for my driving test.

nicholas pepin: I mean, I'm sure there was a discount on but There was a driver's ed that the school system offered on Saturdays or…

Timothy Williams: I will fail especially the parallel parking.

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nicholas pepin: in the summer and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: and I definitely got signed up for that. That was not necessarily Georgia,…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

nicholas pepin: but my parents superseded Georgia law, so

Timothy Williams: or the big car Right, right.

nicholas pepin: No, because you took your own car.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I didn't learn…

Timothy Williams: how to draw a stick shift until much later. I was in college or…

nicholas pepin: So didn't have their own cars and…

nicholas pepin: and my dad made me learn…

Timothy Williams: before I started college that I had the stick.

nicholas pepin: how to draw he wouldn't let me get my license…

Timothy Williams: I'd my …

nicholas pepin: until I learned how to do it with a stick shift.

Timothy Williams: my dad had a truck that was a stick shift and…

Timothy Williams: I wanted to learn on it.

nicholas pepin: Which in 90?

Timothy Williams: But I didn't really I kind of try to self teach myself and…

nicholas pepin: 3 94.

Timothy Williams: I got stuck at a red light do like four lights…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, it would have been ninety and nine in 88 to you. So 94,…

Timothy Williams: because it kept stalling on me and…

nicholas pepin: you…

Timothy Williams: I was like, I'll never drive a stick shift again and…

nicholas pepin: even by then most cars didn't have six shift anymore.

Timothy Williams: then when I was in college my dad.

nicholas pepin: But yeah,…

nicholas pepin: that was a big thing, and then the first car he bought me was a stick shift.

Timothy Williams: I bought a truck probably my white.

Timothy Williams: What the white pickup truck.

nicholas pepin: So I had to learn…

Timothy Williams: I had you remember the car.

nicholas pepin: how to write you…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. I know I love the truck,…

nicholas pepin: but I remember, I had a Honda I think I did my driver's ed on in an 83 Honda Accord.

Timothy Williams: but I hated it in college every time we wanted to go out on the weekends. I could only get two people in my car.

Timothy Williams: So I'd always have to drive.

nicholas pepin: Yeah with stick shift,…

nicholas pepin: so yeah. No, I remember it was a big thing like finally getting my license,…

Timothy Williams: But my dad wanted my truck so he bought me a little.

nicholas pepin: but I don't really remember the exam very well.

Timothy Williams: Honda Civic I think that was a stick shift.

nicholas pepin: I just remember I got it. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: And so when I got it he was like, okay, he just put me this big church parking lot. It's okay figured out and so I just spent a whole afternoon, getting used to So I miss driving a stick now. I wish they still made him I'd probably be terrible at it…

nicholas pepin: yeah, and I

Timothy Williams: if I try it again, but I miss driving a stick.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah.

nicholas pepin: Yes, I think for driver's ed. Yes. That was the case.

Timothy Williams: I was like he gave me some pointers and…

nicholas pepin: But for the driving test you yeah.

Timothy Williams: it's kind of let me drive he didn't stay in the car with me, which his anxiety probably would have been too much warm. So probably All right. Let's move over. We Memory Lane really? Yeah, iconic scenes for…

nicholas pepin: We had two cars we had the little Honda and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, the driver's test is definitely…

nicholas pepin: then we had not even a minivan a big van like a full size van.

Timothy Williams: what I remember the drunk driver. seen And them dancing on the hood when she's inebriated.

nicholas pepin: So it was like either the tiny little Matchbox car. Or this or the big van? And yeah,…

nicholas pepin: it was like, yeah, I think it will plus. My dad was like you're getting licensed on the stick.

Timothy Williams: But there's one scene that I just totally sticks out of my mind.

Timothy Williams: What about favorite scenes?

nicholas pepin: So you're taking the Honda so

Timothy Williams: Do you have any scenes that stand as you're favorite scenes the movie

Timothy Williams: Yes, yes. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. There's two car spaces. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: I don't know.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, which brings the question…

nicholas pepin: That's why that's…

Timothy Williams: which I thought the second time watching it today.

nicholas pepin: why I bought a truck in college.

Timothy Williams: Lesson, his sister are not twins. But why are they doing their test on the same day? that's never explained. that I

Timothy Williams: yes. Yes how different can a brother and sister be yes like my gosh. Yeah. Right, right.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, my youth Minister's Wife taught me how to drive stick because my dad wasn't patient enough was one of the few things that my dad and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, same. Yeah. Favorite scenes.

nicholas pepin: I couldn't like that. He wasn't able to teach me He did a very good job teaching me everything else before whatever reason teaching me…

Timothy Williams: I'm trying to think. Yeah, the driver's test is great.

nicholas pepin: how to drive stick was not something that he could do.

Timothy Williams: The second half the movie just becomes one chase scene after another and even by the time I like the scene where he gets home on the speeches. Dad gives me you had all this and…

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: you had a place to live you had air and you're gonna have any of that ever again and you're lucky your mom didn't go into labor and she's like I am in labor what and so then I was like,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: okay, we got to drive the car again and another somewhat of a chase scene, but then he's using all these things he learned overnight. So I'm like, I understand why it's there but it's like it became a little Overkill by the end.

nicholas pepin: I mean, I would think that my favorite scene is probably just the juxtaposition of the two driving tests.

Timothy Williams: Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes.

nicholas pepin: Cheese. She's good good you go and it's gentle Rolling Hills and parallel parking is like, you…

Timothy Williams: No. No,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, and then he's got a park like that,…

Timothy Williams: not even close. Yeah, we didn't mention the little brother who's once again not.

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nicholas pepin: barely, that's probably one of my favorite scenes…

nicholas pepin: to me It's the one that I remember the most from the movie, but it's really funny. It's a lot of the other stuff was,…

Timothy Williams: Not big enough in the cast to remember.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I might say it's never mentioned.

nicholas pepin: there's a lot of really great little one-liners here there,…

Timothy Williams: So I was like, I don't know if they are…

nicholas pepin: but it's probably my favorite scene.

Timothy Williams: but it's never really explained why they're taking it the same day. So maybe

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah, I guess it makes sense now, but They never really say that's my twin or …

nicholas pepin: yeah, and…

Timothy Williams: any of…

nicholas pepin: and it's also the least believable thing in a very unbelievable movie when they're like

Timothy Williams: but one of my I don't know it makes me laugh, but I think what's this movie? It makes it more juvenile than it needs to be and…

nicholas pepin: if your sister passed clearly that means you passed so go to Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: I think it's because it's Corey Feldman being mouth from Goonies is when they're at the courts the beginning when they're the night before the test and…

nicholas pepin: I mean are you never had a brother or a sister? Because I think my sister and…

Timothy Williams: they're in less room and…

nicholas pepin: I couldn't be more different.

Timothy Williams: he hears the music from the sisters and she's doing her studying whatever and it's classical music is like, what is this? And he says Natalie through the little speaker. I was wondering if you're driving 55 miles per hour and you Collide With The Runaway Train. Would it make any proof Improvement on your face? And I'll just like it's a good burn like it's just funny but then the belts after it's like, okay, this is clearly they did this because it's the kids movie or aiming for the kids. Yes.

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I've only seen that one house that I've actually been in maybe two one of my friends I think might have had one…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, and what are you now that you say one of my favorite scenes was when he pops the champagne.

Timothy Williams: but when I was much older there was one and I heard they big thing was they could play music they had it set up with a stereo so you could play the same music through the whole house or…

nicholas pepin: He's like we're drinking. It's like but Dad I shouldn't drive I shouldn't drink. don't worry. You're not gonna drive. You just save me twenty six thousand dollars, which also you're buying a BMW for 23,000 cheese.

Timothy Williams: whatever. So

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: I don't think you can get a used BMW for 20.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

nicholas pepin: yeah, I Are you sure they're not twins?

Timothy Williams: Gotcha.

nicholas pepin: I mean, they're not identical obviously or I mean obviously,

Timothy Williams: yeah, speaking of intercoms isn't the other scene that I love is when they're out and…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I guess I just assumed they were since they were taking it on the same day.

Timothy Williams: the mom wakes up and she's like

Timothy Williams: I'm hot you'll turn on the a or…

nicholas pepin: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: you just hotter cold whatever and he's supposed to go down the garage and turn the air conditioning on or something like that. And then she gets down there. she calls the names I'm not cold anymore. I'm hungry make me a sandwich and it's like a pickle and sardine sandwich whatever it is, but I just remember that with the intercom thing. Make me laugh that whole thing with me her being pregnant. I like the line when she's putting ketchup all over her huge amount of mashed potatoes, which gave me that better off dead kind of seeing. Yeah. And then she's like don't you guys freak out? I'd eat the same thing and you all turned out just fine which she has twins at the end. So maybe they were twins. So she's prone to having twins because at the very end when Grandpa comes back she's holding twin babies you delivered so yeah,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah that intercom system.

Timothy Williams: mix makes more sense and then Okay,…

nicholas pepin: I had an intercom system very similar to that to my house in Memphis.

Timothy Williams: never mind. We'll get to all the things that don't make sense. But let's talk over at the end. So let me say why does nobody care…

nicholas pepin: That must have been in 80s thing.

Timothy Williams: where the daughter is?

nicholas pepin: No, no house that I've had…

Timothy Williams: I guess the question is going into labor…

nicholas pepin: since then. has had that…

Timothy Williams: but she's been arrested that car's been impounded…

nicholas pepin: but I remember that distinctly being in my house in the 80s

Timothy Williams: but she obviously didn't get in trouble because it's never mentioned at all.

Timothy Williams: mm- the protest

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and it's funny because maybe there was another movie where that was somewhat of a plot point…

nicholas pepin: Yes. Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: because when it got to that point the part of the movie I felt like the riot was a bigger portion of the movie than it was so I might have got it confused with something else.

nicholas pepin: each room you could turn the speaker on or off and the main one in the living room had a radio. So you could turn whatever station you put it on there and…

Timothy Williams: I thought they were at the riot for a longer period of time or…

nicholas pepin: then you could go turn on if you wanted to listen to the same station in your bedroom.

Timothy Williams: there was more of an interaction with him and…

nicholas pepin: You could just turn the …

Timothy Williams: his sister there, but there really wasn't so I don't know.

nicholas pepin: I don't know what we ever did with it. But I know it was there here I distinctly remember having the intercom system.

Timothy Williams: Yeah a cup of coffee.

Timothy Williams: yeah, no. Right, right, which you can see coming a mile away.

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. And I think Corey said that either I read it or was in the interview that he said they had to do that. They had to crush three cars because the first two times the beam wouldn't fall flat like it kept coming like it would get heavier on one end and…

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nicholas pepin: yeah.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, maybe that's where I got the better off dead feel from but

Timothy Williams: wouldn't land on the Flat so they had to crush two or three cars to do it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah. that one they were doing again. Yeah. So costing money…

nicholas pepin: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: though costing money. All let's jump into some scenes and trivia. I don't have a whole lot, but I got a few on here and we'll get to some Goofs. I want to talk about as well.

Timothy Williams: I called this line and I do know that they Corey Haim talked about that.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: They were the director. Let them add lib a lot and kind of bring their own ideas and stuff in so when Feldman is fixing the dent on less is Car he comments that his parents are like vampires,…

nicholas pepin: No, no, she was part of the riot for no the protest right there that was there for no apparent reason other than just to have the word being invaded line.

Timothy Williams: which I thought was a nice little reference to Lost Boys. So I don't worry, my parents are vampires and they're not gonna wake up. He's making all the noise. A big part of the behind the scenes was who dated Heather Graham during the filming or whatever, but even though it's Haynes characterless was crushing hard from Mercedes in real life. It was Feldman crushing on Graham, and they eventually dated but not during filming.

Timothy Williams: I did read a Heather Graham interview…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: where she talked about working on the movie and she was talking about Haim and she said he was so cute. I probably had a crush on him at the time.

nicholas pepin: The scene when they get to the hospital the car is just completely destroyed and…

Timothy Williams: He was such a cute movie star guy the two never sparked a relationship…

nicholas pepin: it adds no it's your car now …

Timothy Williams: because ham was already seeing someone at the time. She said that he was dating this really groovy girl name Layla Zappa.

nicholas pepin: you can do it. and then a random beam drops on it. absolutely the amount of money they would have gotten from the construction company in the lawsuit that would have come out of that would have bought multiple caddies

Timothy Williams: They were the coolest couple her uncle was Frank Zappa and he was this movie star. I felt like this nerd with these two Uber cool people. But yeah, she made another comment about she was this kid from the suburbs that was like getting her big break in the movies and she wasn't used to being around like Hollywood people and they were all about partying and going out and doing stuff and they invited her to go to different parties and stuff. She said she didn't really want to go because she didn't feel comfortable being out. She used to be at home. So I'll be good for her. Probably saved her life.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Right,…

nicholas pepin: That was a fun day for the stunt guys.

Timothy Williams: right, but there was a big story about Corey Haim actually had Mono during filming and…

nicholas pepin: I got to do it again.

Timothy Williams: so she didn't really want to kiss him for the kissing scenes because she didn't want to catch mono, but he told the story before they had to do the kissing scene on the car. He knew she was uncomfortable. So he went and took more medicine and came back and did the scene but he did say she was a good kisser. it's good to know. In the scene where?

Timothy Williams: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. She was a good kisser. That's all that matters in the scene where they're driving the mom to the hospital backwards. They actually built a replica of the car with the engine in the trunk and a steering wheel coming out of the back seat. They had a Stunt Driver dressed as less his mom clothing backward driving the car forward to appear like it's being driven backwards,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: which I've had to pay more attention watching it the second time. I think they did a pretty good job of you can see it in a couple of shots, but they're very quick but there are a lot of stunt drivers in this movie. there's a lot of things where you could tell it's a stunt person the most noticeably is the scene close to the beginning when Corey Haynes riding on the handlebars of Feldman's bike there's a scene where it's like there are two men on that they're twice the size of the guys. And then the scene in the dream sequence when he's driving the Ferrari. And being chased by the bus, there's one scene where it's clearly a girl. It actually looks like two men in the car and the Man in the driver side has a blonde wig on but looks like a man so

nicholas pepin: I did notice a couple of times here there. I'm pretty sure that wasn't aim.

Timothy Williams: No, no. Yeah. I mean there were 16. they're not gonna put their lives in Jeopardy for those kind of things.

nicholas pepin: I guarantee you the insurance company probably if they didn't get their license until they were on set doing the movie probably I get it now …

nicholas pepin: 

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah. All right, so a few Goofs, so I'll read the one that I read about…

nicholas pepin: 

nicholas pepin: why you want to do what I'm good.

Timothy Williams: then I'm gonna share three that I picked up on.

nicholas pepin: I'm just gonna stay home.

Timothy Williams: So the movie depicts the process of earning a driver's license like California DMV is taking both Knowledge Test and road test on the same day and actuality. The Knowledge Test is only taken prior to earning a learner's permit. In order to receive a driver's license. Only a road test is administered. I think that's how they did it in Maryland, I think I had to do the written test for the exam or for the permit. But then I didn't do my driver's test until I got my actual license.

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nicholas pepin: The gotta get the faction Port right? I'm trying to remember what it was in Georgia. I want to say it was something similar to that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah makes more sense. And then another thing I read where it said that even Dad at the time the laws at the time even if he would have didn't gotten his driver's license that day. He still couldn't drive there it takes two at that time. It's two weeks to be put on insurance once Your license so he couldn't have driven by himself anyway, because he wouldn't have been insured.

Timothy Williams: With this movie doesn't need logic. there's hardly.

nicholas pepin: logic in this movie or Not in the same bed with each other.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and to prove that here are the Goofs that I saw this one I saw both times in the dream sequence after Mercedes lights the cigarette and less throws the match out the window, which would have blown out immediately. She turns her head to see the Flames behind them her hair hits the cigarette which would have called her hair on fire if it was actually lit because we know that hair was full of hairspray, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a real cigarette and it's a dream sequence, but I still thought it was interesting. so

nicholas pepin: Yeah, and that match was clearly burned out before he threw it out.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, but as soon as it left his hand, it would have blown out. once again dream sequence,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but I still had to bring it up. The other thing that I thought was I'll just ask is the question. Why does The cassette player eat less is mixtape, but not the Frank Sinatra tape. I've never known as cassette player to only eat certain types of tapes. if it ate a tape it's eaten all tapes.

nicholas pepin: yeah, yeah. And generally speaking. It I don't know. Yeah, you're right. I mean that just I mean you had the plot

Timothy Williams: Yeah to head that the Frank Sinatra songs. And then I read one of the Goofs was He pulled out the Frank Sinatra cassette album or whatever that was none of the songs played after that. We're on that album, so they didn't even have the right album to play the Frankston results. So the last one I really noticed Corey Haynes hair color changes multiple times. It's blonde then sometimes it's darker brown and it's actually red and one of the scenes like one. He's walking to talk to Mercedes or outside and it's probably just have the sun is hitting his hair but it looks like red instead of brown but it looks like it's like I've been freshly dyed like that must have been like a scene they film later and he had bleached his hair or something like it doesn't match.

nicholas pepin: I guess I wasn't paying it close enough attention to the hair, but

Timothy Williams: But yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I noticed it When they were outside, his hair looks really red there. But then when I watched it again, I was like there you can tell and sometimes it's wet. Sometimes it's dry it was never consistent throughout the movie. And I'll even say Feldman's hair changes links three times then it's short then it's long again. So

Timothy Williams: 

nicholas pepin: The scene at the beginning if a friend of mine had pulled up. To my house to pick me up and…

Timothy Williams: Yes.

nicholas pepin: laid on the horn that way. I'm pretty sure that I don't know what my parents would have done but it wouldn't have been just get out of the house and…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: go it would have been like tell your friend to leave.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Right.

nicholas pepin: You're never allowed to hang out with them again, or

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I would have been able to leave the house for sure. They were like you you can't hang out with that person ever again.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it would have been pretty bad. And then why did you just sitting there smiling and drinking his milk? it's no big deal. And then as soon as I say get out the horn stops, like Corey filmic and hear them yell at him. So just you…

nicholas pepin: yeah, but Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: one of those just it's all for laughs but no logic.

nicholas pepin: but I mean at the end of the day the level of stupid that high school boys will go to for a girl.

Timothy Williams: true very true very very true

nicholas pepin: because most of that movie could have been avoided if Corey Feldman, Corey Haim would have just made a smart decision once early just Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and…

nicholas pepin: I had it.

Timothy Williams: I didn't understand why he didn't want to tell his parents. He failed Why was that such a big deal? I understand why he didn't want to tell his friends and he didn't want to tell Mercedes…

nicholas pepin: right

Timothy Williams: but why lie to the parents like that scene kind of like especially now it's like why would you even you're gonna get found out I mean

nicholas pepin: Yeah. even if you threw the test away and didn't leave it in your pocket what's at some point they're gonna you…

Timothy Williams: Right, which is dumb.

nicholas pepin: you're gonna have to be like, hey, can I go back and take it again? Why just for fun?

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Timothy Williams: Yeah, I didn't do so. the last time let me go I want to take it again. just to get a better score. Yeah. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: right

Timothy Williams: Which then kind of leads to how long it been before the grandpa comes to pick up the car because obviously he can drive then because he jumps in the car and drives Mercedes car. So obviously he got his license at that point. and…

nicholas pepin: Yeah,

Timothy Williams: the sisters out of jail, so must have been a good couple of weeks.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Did you know this movie had an alternate ending? Yeah, I did not know this…

nicholas pepin: No.

Timothy Williams: So the original ending of the film came after lesson as friends or at Archie's Atomic Drive-In. The older boys they enraged chase them and trash Grandpa's Cadillac and the boys wind up stealing a similar car from a used car lot. It tested poorly leading instead of the scenes or the drunk driver and the button up ending where we learned Grandpa similarly.

nicholas pepin: If okay,…

Timothy Williams: Similarly trashed Anderson's family car. so

nicholas pepin: I feel like that changes the whole back half of the movie.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah,…

nicholas pepin: a

Timothy Williams: you can watch the alternate any or the deleted scene that kind of. Yeah, it's on the special edition DVD, which I don't have. How did you watch? Do you have the DVD?

nicholas pepin: I probably shouldn't tell you how I watched it.

Timothy Williams: Okay, so I watched it on Starz but the deleted scene is there's a very bad copy on YouTube that I watched the first. Maybe three or four minutes of but the picture quality was so bad and it was too dark. I couldn't understand what's going on. So I was like, I have to catch this some other way, but you can watch the alternate ending which

nicholas pepin: I mean, I definitely didn't pirate it. And no in no…

Timothy Williams: That's good.

nicholas pepin: Did I watch it on a illegal streaming site which I don't care.

Timothy Williams: I'll edit all this out. Don't worry about it.

nicholas pepin: Really? What are they coming back after me for royalties for license to drive it?

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: pass the statute of limitations So, all right anything else about the movie want to talk about before I jump in a box office and critical reception.

nicholas pepin: No. No, I've got all my notes that I've

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I think we've exhausted this one pretty well. So license to drive open in American theaters on July 8th 1988 coming in at number six at the box office that weekend. It could not overcome Coming to America and Who Framed Roger Rabbit which occupied the top two spots? Other new releases that we can included Arthur 2 On The Rocks which came in at number three short circuit two at number seven and Phantasm at number nine. So it was the only non-sequel new release that weekend in 1988.

nicholas pepin: definitely get why I lost to a couple of them.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. it only lost to Arthur too. it barely made out have the numbers here, but I was looking at It barely beat out short secret short circuit two for the six and…

nicholas pepin: Okay.

Timothy Williams: seven. They were both neck and neck Phantasm too wasn't even close at number nine, but

nicholas pepin: yeah, I mean that's because people don't like to talk about that so

Timothy Williams: It was down there with Rambo 3 where it was on the box office. So Rotten Tomatoes has it 24% on the Tomato Meter and a 61 audience score. IMDb 6.3 out of 10 with viewers and a 36 Amazingly Tomato. Meter is less than Metacritic on this one, but Yeah.

nicholas pepin: What's the surprising because normally medic I mean? I'm probably definitely more on the user side the IMDb side.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: Is it a great move? Is it as good as some of the other movies I've done with you and…

Timothy Williams: No, no.

nicholas pepin: no it's fun.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah.

nicholas pepin: It's a fun movie. It's a fun watch.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: I mean, it's not one of those that there's definitely some moments where you look back on it. you're like, yeah, that's definitely some 80 stuff that probably was better off being left in the 80s,…

Timothy Williams: right

nicholas pepin: but It's not so I mean, it's definitely dated.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: I mean you can definitely tell it but it's still enjoyable.

Timothy Williams: mmm Yeah,…

nicholas pepin: It's still a fun watch.

Timothy Williams: we've talked about it's not one of the John cues movies where? Generations that I might if my daughter watches now she would think it's completely too stupid and would understand why I would have enjoyed watching it but it brings the stallger. Whereas a Ferris Bueller or 16 Candles, which may be dated as well would still hold up a little bit better.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I do Wonder had I not seen it in 88 and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: watched it and had that warm fun memory in my…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: If I watched it yesterday for the first time.

Timothy Williams: mmm Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Where would what I have, thought about it.

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Timothy Williams: Right, and I think two others not a whole lot of backstory of how the movie got made. it was one of the I think the studio was trying to find we need a Corey Cory's movie like this. I think that's why they paired them up because it was the height of their Fame coming off of Lost Boys. They both done stuff separately, but they hadn't done it. This was their first real collaboration where they were really interacting as friends in the movie. And so I think that holds a lot of the Nostalgia because I remember that error. I remember how popular they were and how big of stars they were. So you kind of looked at it'd be like I don't know who a good person we like that for today, but it'd be like if 15 years ago of Justin Bieber.

Timothy Williams: And whoever his best friend was made a movie like kids would go see it just because they're in it doesn't have to be good. They would just want to see it.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So I think that's probably why I wanted to watch it. But once again there were things in it that took away from it that I enjoy the driver's test and things It hits that sweet spot of if you were 40 said 12 14 15 even maybe 16. That was that target audience for sure because you're one of those kids that can't wait till they don't have to take the bus anymore. why the whole dream seek at the beginning of being chained to the bus? I never felt like I was chained to the…

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: I mean I wanted to drive but I didn't mind the bus.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I was still hanging out all my friends on the Bus All My Friends rode the bus with me, so when that big of a deal, but

Timothy Williams: but yeah, that's really who was geared towards and That's why we like it because we're that age when we saw it.

nicholas pepin: Absolutely. Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna say it holds up but it's like I said, it's an entertaining watch that for people…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: who are probably closer to our age.

Timothy Williams: For Yeah.

nicholas pepin: It's fun. It's a fun watch.

nicholas pepin: It's absolutely is.

Timothy Williams: yeah, I'd probably put it in the …

Timothy Williams: it's probably lower 70s for me there are other movies that are better. That I would but this one still very rewatchable I've watched it twice. And 48 hours and enjoy watching it both times. I don't need to watch it again for probably another year or two, but it's still a fun watch.

nicholas pepin: Absolutely.

Timothy Williams: All right, Nicholas, what's coming up on pop culture roulette?

nicholas pepin: I think with the end of We are family coming. It's probably going to be getting back into heavy game show talk.

Timothy Williams: 

nicholas pepin: But there's nothing really on the burner right? we're just gonna be doing whatever topic we feel like talking about for the week. So

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I did. Enjoy the parody bracket. That was a lot of fun. I'll listen to that one here recently.

nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: So that was a fun one, which

nicholas pepin: There will more than likely because of the response. I got to that one. There will definitely be a sequel to that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, you talked to mentioned about it.

nicholas pepin: Maybe even a third one. There's a lot of movies that got left off. The people were like what?

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it's funny because I won't put this on the episode but when I was just like I'm gonna steal this for my March Madness bracket. I'm gonna do 80s parody. So I was going through and looking like man There were a lot or need to be forgotten but even in the 80s but like you said there were a lot of the war that came out much later. I know into the episode. They're throwing out ones wrongfully accused I forgot about that one. You got Dracula dead and Loving It which I didn't realize was a Mel Brooks movie.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I mean I had to stop putting at some point when I was building it I had so many sequels that I'm like this is just gonna be like do you like airplane or…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: airplane too? Do you like hot shots or…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. but yeah airplane 2 is far is Nothing.

nicholas pepin: Hot Shots too. I was like all sequels off and then that will

nicholas pepin: Not near as good as airplane.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it's totally almost two different movies, but I will say Hot Shots one and…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I love both of them almost equally because they parody two different types of movies. the first one is totally a parody of Top Gun.

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: The second one is totally a parody of Rambo. So because they're parroting two different types of action movies that kind of stand on their own Merit,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah, right.

Timothy Williams: But yeah, and then loaded weapon volume one was one that I forgot about too.

nicholas pepin: Yeah,

Timothy Williams: I was like I haven't

nicholas pepin: There's a lot that I left off.

Timothy Williams: yeah. Yes.

nicholas pepin: And I did hear it from a number of more than one person that I should have put Three Amigos on there. So

Timothy Williams: I don't think so. Yeah, and even Tropic Thunder to me was like The college I think we saw that the commercials at the beginning are definitely parody, but the rest of it. It's more meta than parity and…

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nicholas pepin: yeah.

Timothy Williams: that was like some of those I think you get Where's it just being meta and where is it being a parody and their name may need to be a real distinction there. but yeah,…

nicholas pepin: right

Timothy Williams: but yeah, so I'm the funny but was funny before you even got to the antibi doing a sequels. I was like man so who I can either do a parodies bracket or I could do a bracket of the best sequels of the 80s with that doesn't include in The Originals, so yeah,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: somebody do that anyway, So you got more stuff coming up pop culture for that, but I'm looking forward to hearing more behind the scenes stuff about We are family that's gonna be fun to hear.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, it was fun to be involved in it. It was and now that I'm able to talk more openly about certain things and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: It'll be fun. And I have a couple things that I've had to cut out of previous episodes that I've kept on the back burner that I'll be able to throw in.

Timothy Williams: Very cool All…

nicholas pepin: It's always some point so

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