BONUS - "Ladyhawke" (1985) with Nicholas Pepin (from "Pop Culture Roulette" Podcast) and Chad Sheppard

Attendees: Chad Sheppard, nicholas pepin, Timothy Williams

This transcript of the unedited full episode recording was computer generated and might contain errors.

Timothy Williams: 1985 was an eventful year for Hollywood seeing the releases of such Timeless Classics as The Goonies Back to the Future and The Breakfast Club.

Timothy Williams: It also saw the release of this 80s flick a medieval fantasy Adventure telling the unforgettable Tale of Two Lovers who are placed under a terrible curse, she transforms into a hawk during the day and he into a wolf by night together with the help of a crafty young Thief. They must attempt to lift the curse for the sake of true love. So grab your sword put on your armor and mount your horse as Nicholas Pepin Chad Sheppard and I discuss Ladyhawke from 1985 on this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast. don't.

Timothy Williams: All right, welcome everybody. Thank you so much for joining us for this special bonus episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast jumping back into our forgotten 80s flick series that I started a few years ago and excited about talk about some of the Forgotten or maybe under the radar movies or I guess just forgotten I said what it is, it's forgot maybe our ones are not as popular because I people it's not forgotten about it. granted you haven't forgotten about it, but it's not one that's talked about or heard about as much when people, release their favorite movies from the 80s and these are usually movies Not that they're terrible movies. they just don't have the same Blockbuster status of others. And this is one of those that you would think would be more well known because it has Richard Donner as a director. You've got Matthew Broderick who was very popular in the 80s Michelle Pfeiffer kind of before

Timothy Williams: Or she wasn't the full breakout star at this point and Rutger Hauer who became a household name after a Blade Runner? But I can kind of see what has been forgotten though. It is not the greatest fantasy Adventure movie that I've ever seen, but we'll get into it. But first let me introduce my wonderful hosts for this episode, him from pop culture roulette and his many appearances here on the podcast, please welcome Nicholas Pepin.

nicholas pepin: let me take my glasses off so I can gaze upon. that the eclipse has passed.

Timothy Williams: There you go. If I was really smart, I would have released this before during the same time as the clips that we just said wouldn't I?

Chad Sheppard: 

Timothy Williams: Yeah would have been I like that if I was a smart man, that's what I would have done but alas here we are and joining us again Chad Sheppard. How you doing Chad?

Chad Sheppard: I'm doing pretty good Jim. How you doing,…

Timothy Williams: I'm good.

Chad Sheppard: excellent

Timothy Williams: I'm good. All let's talk about Ladyhawke. So when did you guys see Ladyhawke for the first time? I'll start with you Chad.

Chad Sheppard: I'm pretty sure it was either two places and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: it's in the same building. I saw it in high school. I saw in high school.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: either during chorus about teacher didn't want to. Teach us a thing. She put in a movie our course had a login. type thing as a rock-a-thon and…

Timothy Williams: Okay. …

Chad Sheppard: I saw

Timothy Williams: yeah, I remember those. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: And you weren't rocking. You could go into to. him or something or the cafeteria and they had a movie TV set up and that was the first time I saw Batman Returns and we I think Be hot there too. So. I'm pretty sure that's…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: where I saw it so high school, so Not only 90s.

Timothy Williams: Gotcha.

Timothy Williams: What about you Nicholas?

nicholas pepin: This is where I have to confess something. This is not the movie. I thought I was signing up for when I jumped at it. I don't know what movie I thought I was signing up for when I saw this name.

nicholas pepin: Because I was watching this movie a month or two ago for the first time and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: then I realized as I'm watching it. This is the first time I've ever seen this this is Not the movie that because when you put out that list, I was like, yeah, I want to do that one. I don't know what movie I thought I signed up for.

Timothy Williams: Gotcha. Yeah, I'm not sure either because I mean there were a couple of fantasy movies around, in the middle 80s Willow Legend. Probably more well known than this one. Excalibur maybe but they're still not very similar. I mean that's pretty well known to Yeah.

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Chad Sheppard: this bride but sort of

nicholas pepin: Yeah. I couldn't tell you…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: what I thought this was but it wasn't that so yeah, a couple months ago was the first time I've ever saw this movie.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and I'll confess I think when I watch this a couple of months ago. It was the first time I had seen this movie like I knew about it. I think I'd seen the trailer for a couple of times. It was probably on cable and I think it was one of those movies I would catch the middle of it, but I never saw the beginning so I didn't really understand what's going on. So I never really watched it all the way through because there are parts of that. I kind of vaguely remembered but it wasn but I really wasn't big into these type of movies and 85 that this wasn't the type of movie I would have gravitated towards anyway, but It has enjoyable moments. I think overall it's lacking some things but it's overall enjoyable. So. Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: I didn't hate it. Yeah, I wasn't like I'm gonna text text him and…

Timothy Williams: I just finished watching it.

nicholas pepin: be like I'm out, right.

Timothy Williams: I don't want to talk about it.

nicholas pepin: This isn't a Halloween 3 situation.

Timothy Williams: No, no, yeah. All right, so we know how long Have you watched it again since high school or this is the first time in a long time.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I watched it's funny. I was just trying to catch up with it for the podcast just you'd put out a lesson.

Timothy Williams: right

Chad Sheppard: I know that movie. And I've been trying to watch it.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: It's on And now to be doing this thing where it won't unless you pay you can't start where you can't stop and…

Timothy Williams: I didn't know that.

Chad Sheppard: then come back to it. You have to start over again. and I kept getting interrupt so I watched the beginning of this movie several times. Alan Parsons Project

Timothy Williams: Yeah, we'll get into that too. All right quick timeout Chad you're cutting in and…

nicholas pepin: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: But that's for later.

Timothy Williams: out in and out a whole lot.

Chad Sheppard: I know…

Timothy Williams: So I think your internet might be a little spotty.

Chad Sheppard: but yeah this

Timothy Williams: So I'm losing you in spots.

Chad Sheppard: I think that's the last. Okay.

Timothy Williams: And you're Frozen right now?

nicholas pepin: when did

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, okay.

Timothy Williams: I see nicholas' eyes moving so he's not frozen.

nicholas pepin: No. No, I'm not. I'm seeing Chad freeze all over the place.

Timothy Williams: we haven't had many problems with him recording before so.

Timothy Williams: He's completely Frozen now.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, he is. When did I don't remember to be ever charging for anything?

Timothy Williams: yeah, I was saying the same thing like I've Lied maybe you have to create an account because I don't think you have to pay for it. But I know you can create.

nicholas pepin: Yes.

Timothy Williams: I know you don't create an account. It won't let you start. It doesn't know what you've watched before so.

nicholas pepin: Because I watched it on to be with no problem.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: All right, Chad. We lose you.

Timothy Williams: This will make for a very short episode.

Timothy Williams: Our condolences to Chad this it will only want to finish this episode

nicholas pepin: 

Timothy Williams: I guess he's gone. So

Timothy Williams: I'll give a minute or two.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, the only other movie I think of when I think of this movie is another one that I haven't seen and it's in the name of the rose with Sean Connery and Christian Slater. And I think that one's like a later 80s movie.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I couldn't tell you what I thought I was signing up for. But this was not what it was because I was like what? Did I think I was saying what?

Timothy Williams: Mmm Yeah, because yeah, I put but the picture the poster and the description so

nicholas pepin: Because like what? I mean, I saw it. I was like, I remember hearing about this movie like it's one.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: I've always been aware of but it's not What I thought it was.

nicholas pepin: Because I was like, I saw lady Hawk surely I did I mean and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: then I watched this, before they put it on to be when I had to fire it.

Timothy Williams: pirate it

nicholas pepin: I was like I've never seen this movie. This is not what I thought.

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Timothy Williams: Yeah, it's one of once again, when you see who's in it, it's like how did I not see this? How about going the song?

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I'm not watched it, but

Timothy Williams: all I'm just gonna say all right, so I'm just gonna everybody know that we lost Chad on the feed. He may come back in a little bit later. so Nicholas and I are going to continue going forward and if he jumps back in he'll let him jump back in the conversation. Just Where Chad went? All right. yeah, so I watched it for the very first time.

Timothy Williams: Maybe six months ago or maybe with it what's been within the last year and it was only because it was part of a group like a mix and match on Voodoo, which is now Fandango at home and I saw a couple it was like this and Vision Quest and Creep Show. We're 380s movies on you. I was gonna cover and watch at some point and I think it was three for ten books or something that Chad's back so I bought the bundle, I bought the three movies and that's when I watched it because I was like, I know I wanted to see it but never seen it. So I watched it back then so I watched it again today for the podcast but

Timothy Williams: I can say I probably didn't pay as much attention this time. I said to the first time I said, I think I got a little bit more distracted in some of this month but Chad we were just talking about I was just saying the last week we took of a long pause while are you're out so no worries.

Chad Sheppard: okay, that's all about that.

Timothy Williams: Was it your Internet or what happened? Don't know.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I was on the other one. We have a split Wi-Fi and it was on the one on the other side of my house. So I'm like,…

Timothy Williams: Got to this one. Yeah. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: I don't know why it did that but Sorry.

Timothy Williams: That's right. It's much cleaner now. So all good.

Chad Sheppard: good good.

Timothy Williams: We fix it all in ending. It's all editing. It's all good.

Chad Sheppard: It never happened.

Timothy Williams: All right. let me ask you your question again because it was cutting out So…

Chad Sheppard: Okay. No,…

Timothy Williams: if you watched it again since high school.

Chad Sheppard: this was the first time that I'd seen it…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: high school, and I don't know if you got my story. I was watching it on to be.

Timothy Williams: No, it's To be yeah.

Chad Sheppard: and apparently now to does this thing where the only way you can Stop it, and then come back to it as if you pay. So the free version you have to start all over again. So I watch the beginning of this movie three or four times. So I'm glad I like the Alan Parsons Project.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah,…

Timothy Williams: we'll talk about that we're definitely on top of the soundtrack But yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: That was a joke. Yeah. Yeah, obviously, yeah.

Timothy Williams: that's interesting about too because Nicholas I were talking about that. It' I know yet the sign in to have an account. I don't think I've ever had to pay for it, but

Chad Sheppard: right

nicholas pepin: Yeah, just I thought the whole thing went to be is that you don't have to pay.

Timothy Williams: never have to pay.

nicholas pepin: Never have to pay like that's their advertising campaign.

Chad Sheppard: No.

nicholas pepin: So I think you just need to sign up for an account.

Chad Sheppard: maybe no.

nicholas pepin: I got it. Yeah, I don't think you actually have to pay for anything.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, I think you have to create an account so I can keep track…

Chad Sheppard: Okay.

Timothy Williams: what you're watching, but you don't have to pay for it. but

nicholas pepin: so they can sell your email to hundreds of other people. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Of course.

Chad Sheppard: Of course.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm getting those emails Alright, let's jump into story origin and pre-production and I told the guys before we started recording with this being a forgotten 80's flick. There's not a whole lot of backstory or a lot of notes about how this movie was made. So I have one short paragraph to read. So here we go. Richard Donner had attempted to get the film financed for a number of years and came close to making it twice once in England and once in shekel Slovakia. He eventually got the project up at Warners and fox where was green lit by Alan lad Jr. It did stall and pre-production for years before shooting finally commenced. One of the reasons for the delay was the arduous casting process. signed on and then dropped out Studios fought over celebrities the star and locations took time to Scout and things just dragged on so this was a long

Timothy Williams: I guess passion project somewhat for Richard Donner why it took so long to make and I did look because this came out in 85 and as I mentioned in intro so did The Goonies but this one actually came out two months before Goonies, so he actually Don't the movie he had done before this one was the toy in 82, so he had not made him a couple years, so. the toy did pretty well. It wasn't like a massive hit and this one was not a hit. So I guess Goonies really kind of put him back on the map for sure as a bankable director but

Timothy Williams: any thoughts or comments on pre-production?

nicholas pepin: I mean Maybe they should have skipped it and gone right to Goonies.

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Chad Sheppard: Little bit of better choice. Yes.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious about what the script was because of course, I said, there wasn't a whole lot of research there anyway. But I didn't see much about the shows it was a screen written based on a story about somebody else and one thing we'll get into in. Trivia, but I think Warner Brothers marketed it it was a true medieval tale or a long time Fable that had been passed down from generation generations and come to find out that was all false and the screenwriter. sued them for false advertising that was not the case, but

Timothy Williams: They basically paid him off and never resended their comments. but it is complete worth of work of fiction that we know of. so I will say it's a very interesting story, we're talking about it and surely visited the podcast. Hopefully you've seen it already because we will spoil it not there's a whole lot really to spoil in the movie.

Chad Sheppard: he

Timothy Williams: But it is an interesting story of this, Forbidden Love. There's a bishop of the Catholic Church there I guess that curses them and makes one a hawk and one a wolf. So they can't be together in their physical form at the same time. and then how Matthew Broderick kind of his character just kind of falls into the middle of the story to kind of help them. figure it all out, so it's interesting.

nicholas pepin: yeah, yeah There's not a lot to the story. Like you said it does kind of feel like you kind of picking it up in the middle. you don't really.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: they kind of just fill you in as they go along you're almost like

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it is a lot of exposition in the Middle where when the one guy that's I guess healing Michelle fight the Michelle Pfeiffer after being hit with the arrow West what she was the hawk and him telling the story to Matthew Broderick Mouse. Yeah, go ahead.

nicholas pepin: no, I mean that's exactly I mean I don't know it alternately felt too long…

Timothy Williams: I didn't mean to nurture.

nicholas pepin: but not long enough. the pacing was just off just like I think there's a different way to have told this story or…

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: a different way to have done it. That would have made it more successful. Not to say it was a bad movie. I mean it was still enjoyable. I'm glad I finally watched it. But at the same time I think you already hit the nail on the head I think I know…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: why this is kind of a forgotten 80s movie.

Timothy Williams: anything to add Chad

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I think we are. Matthew broderick's Mouse character. we are him and…

Timothy Williams: Mmm Yeah

Chad Sheppard: we follow him. But it would have been more interesting. Like you said it would have been interesting had we seen. Them together and…

Timothy Williams: mmm Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: then the curse and all that beforehand. then maybe lose the Matthew Broderick to show up later,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. He…

Chad Sheppard: But yeah.

nicholas pepin: you are

Timothy Williams: Yeah good.

Chad Sheppard: I do have an opinion.

Chad Sheppard: I do have an opinion about Matthew project in this movie, too, but Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Okay, we'll get to it I guess. Yeah, we'll get into it. We'll talk about to Casting so let's jump into casting. So we'll start with magic Matthew Broderick and after I do a little bio then you can share your thoughts Chad but the role the pickpocket was actually offered to Sean Penn and then Dustin Hoffman, but for Donner decided to go with A Matthew Broderick as Philippe Gaston the young Thief known as the mouse. Of course his roles include the Golden Globe nominated patrol of the title character and Ferris wheelers, they often 86. So this came out before his probably most famous role. He was also the voice of the adult Simba and Disney's The Lion King in 1994.

Timothy Williams: He was in the musical the producers and its film adaptation other films that he starred include war games and 83 glory and 89 the freshman in the Cable Guy and not six Godzilla 98 election in Inspector Gadget in 99 Tower Heist in 2011, and it was just recently and no hard feelings back in 2023. so Chad colorful thoughts on Matthew Broderick.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I feel like I only see him as first beer. I'm a huge fan of election.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, this is most iconic character. Sure.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: is that came out when miles,…

Chad Sheppard: my major moving going days in college or in high school and I saw it. I love that movie. But watching this I'm so Ferris Bueller. I couldn't get back.

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Timothy Williams: I don't yeah.

Chad Sheppard: I couldn't see him as his character.

Chad Sheppard: You know what I mean?

Timothy Williams: I'm kind of…

Timothy Williams: where you are, but I don't think he's the Ferris Bueller because Ferris Bueller is very fearless and very confident and sure of himself. He's comical like I know I think he's playing this character really for Laughs. there's a lot of one liners and…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, right. Yeah, that's…

Timothy Williams: stuff like that. But there's a lot of his acting.

Chad Sheppard: what I mean.

Timothy Williams: This is like what's going on? kind of frightened or trying to figure things out which is different. That's not the kind of role.

Chad Sheppard: mouse-ish right

Timothy Williams: I'm yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's not what I was just seeing him. It reminds me a little bit more of like him in war games where yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: Yes, yeah.

Timothy Williams: he was confident but then once stuff kind of gets in over his head he kind of has that boy. Is she like what I don't know. what's happening? I don't understand what's going on kind of thing. So, yeah, it's an interesting role and I think he does okay with it.

Timothy Williams: but I think that's one of the reasons why I think the movie is kind of uneven because he's almost there just for laughs but it's Because he has a lot of Comedy stuff. So.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I mean. Given that he was easily my favorite part of the movie. I didn't have a problem with him either.

Chad Sheppard: sorry, Nicholas.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: I mean in my head try to let actors get Typecast just so that I can enjoy them and…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: other stuff. I mean I do have that problem with some actors. In fact, I think we'll talk about Rutger hour in a little bit here.

nicholas pepin: But I don't know I didn't have a problem with Matthew Broderick. Also, I mean he was so young in this movie.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: Because this was only what a second or third movie you said it was even before Ferris Bueller.

Timothy Williams: some people Yeah,…

nicholas pepin: So, I mean it was early.

Timothy Williams: he had done war games and 82 or 83. And…

Chad Sheppard: three

Timothy Williams: I think this one and then Ferris Bueller. so yeah, so it's definitely still early in his career, which once again, It's probably not as well known because he wasn't the star that we know of him. when this came out if they would have held on to this one and waited until after Ferris Bueller came out. It probably would have been a bigger hit kind of like the Teen Wolf and…

Chad Sheppard: No.

Timothy Williams: Back to the Future where Teen Wolf was actually a film beforehand, but they waited until Back to the Future was released knowing was gonna make him a big star and then they released Teen Wolf which became a huge hit even though it was a far. inferior movie compared Back to the Future, but Yeah.

Timothy Williams: All let's talk about rutgerhauer since we're moving down the list. He was the former captain of the Guard who was hunted by the bishop. His career began in 1969 with a title role in the Dutch television series florists and served with his leading role in Turkish Delight in 197 After gaining International recognition with movies such as soldier of orange and 77 and spetters in 1980.

Chad Sheppard: Okay.

Timothy Williams: He moved into American films including Nighthawks and 81 with Sylvester Stallone in Billy Dee Williams, and then Blade Runner in 82

Timothy Williams: His performance and Blade Runner led to roles in the Osterman weekend and 83 this movie Ladyhawke and 85 The Hitcher in 86 the legend of holy Drinker and 88 and Blind Fury in 89 among other films from the 90s on he moved into lower budget films and supporting roles and major films like Buffy the Vampire Slayer in 92 Confessions of a dangerous mind in 2002 Batman Begins in Sin City in 2005. And the right in 2011.

Timothy Williams: You had some thoughts on Rutger Hauer Nicholas?

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I think. I read in the trivia that Kurt Russell almost had his role.

Timothy Williams: It takes here we go.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, I was about to talk about that next…

Chad Sheppard: 

Timothy Williams: but go ahead.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, I think it would have been better if you had reversed and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: left him as the captain of guard and Kurt Russell as his character. I think.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: The dynamic would have been better between Kurt Russell and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: Michelle Pfeiffer and I would have believed the captain of the Guard more as him. I said, I try not to let them get Typecast but I really had a hard time buying Rutger Howard as the leading man romantic interest for Michelle Pfeiffer.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah, which may go to why they didn't really show much of them together. if the chemistry is not there, to build upon at the beginning. We don't show that part. they just kind of see them separated. But yeah, so Kurt Russell was originally cast in the Rutger role and Rutger Howard was the captain of the Guard but how we're actually didn't want to do the guard because he didn't want to get Typecast as a villain after playing the villain and Blade Runner. So he told Richard Donner. Hey, if anything changes, I'd rather have the lead instead and so basically days before filming be Russell dropped out because I think he was still doing some stuff with the thing and then he was also filming silkwood at the same time. so then Rutger got the call to come and take the spot. So

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Timothy Williams: but he also said after this movie he didn't want to play leading man anymore. So that's why he did more like, supporting roles, But yeah, Richard I think Kurt Russell would have been a better choice for the lead for sure.

nicholas pepin: And I wonder if it would have been a forgotten Eddie's flick had those rolls been reversed or had Kurt Russell stayed in it,

Timothy Williams: yeah, but once again, that's two and even though we talk about the thing that's that what didn't become a hit and so much later so he was struggling there in the 80s,…

nicholas pepin: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: too, but It may be more memorable. Even the movies that didn't do well are still memorable because Kurt Russell was in them.

nicholas pepin: true true

Timothy Williams: All right, moving on to Michelle Pfeiffer as Isabel of as you I'm gonna mess up all these names who's hunted by the bishop, but Pfeiffer began her acting career with minor television and film appearances and had our first leading role in the critically and commercially unsuccessful grease too in 1982. Her breakout role is Elvira in Scarface was in 1983 that built her mainstream success which grew with performances in The Witches of Eastwick and 87 and Tequila Sunrise and eight with Kurt Russell. Pfeiffer received her first of six consecutive Golden Globe Award nominations married to the Mob and 88 her performances and Dangerous Liaisons in 88 and Fabulous Baker Boys, 89 earned her two consecutive Academy Award nominations for best supporting actress and best actress respectively winning a golden global war for the latter.

Timothy Williams: In 1990. She starred in the Russia House, Frankie and Johnny in 1991 in 92. She played Catwoman in Batman Returns and received her third Academy Award nomination for Love Field which was succeeded by performances in the age of innocence in 93 wolf in 94. She also produced several features for her company via Rosa Productions, including Dangerous Minds in 95 focusing on our family. She acted sporadically throughout the 2000s appearing in What Lies Beneath in 2000 White Oleander in 2002 airspray and stardust both in 2007.

Timothy Williams: She sent in an audition tape for the part in Ladyhawke despite reservations about the fantasy genre. She had been sent part of the script to read containing a scene between isaboo and Gaston later played by Matthew Broderick Pfeiffer read the part and Enlisted the aid of a friend of hers to read for the part of Gaston. Their friend was a still unknown actor at the time named Kevin Costner.

nicholas pepin: Just that guy a little known actor even today just barely known.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, little guy little guy.

Chad Sheppard: Whatever happened to him.

Timothy Williams: No.

Timothy Williams: any thoughts on Michelle Pfeiffer?

nicholas pepin: They didn't really give her a lot to do in this movie. so I mean,…

Timothy Williams: No, no.

nicholas pepin: I have no problems with her. I mean you just listed off a really impressive, body of work. So, clearly she knows what she's doing. you could have…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: but just about any female of that age. In this movie and gotten pretty much the same performance out of her. I mean the script for her role was pretty light.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. What about you Chad?

Chad Sheppard: She will always be my Catwoman.

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Chad Sheppard: yeah, and

Chad Sheppard: Michelle Pfeiffer movies in a row so I thought she's great.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: He agrees too is a little underwhelming compared to the first one, but

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and then that down agrees to as a movie that I saw way too many times on cable as a kid. My sister was obsessed with it. So it was always on but yeah, Michelle Pfeiffer's one of those actresses I don't think she's a terrible actress. but I've never been one of my favorite actresses of the 80s or even the 90s even though mentioned a lot of those movies. I don't think I've seen a lot of the movies she was In the 90s. I know I saw Dangerous Minds. I think I saw wolf. I didn't see Age of Innocence. I didn't see what is it the

Timothy Williams: Was A Dangerous Liaisons I didn't see Fabulous Baker Boys. I've seen married to the Mob I've started the Witches of Eastwick three times and never been able to finish it. yeah, but she's a decent actress but she's never been one of my top favorite actresses that I'm draw make sure over Michelle Pfeiffer's and I gotta go see it like she's not one of those actresses for me and nothing against her Just haven't been that big of a fan of hers. But I agree with you Nicholas. He doesn't really have a whole lot to do in this besides. somewhat transform between the hawk and the human Where you say Chad?

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Chad Sheppard: I was gonna ask is Wolf the one with her and Jack Nicholas.

Timothy Williams: Yes. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: as yeah, I'm only seen that on TBS and TBS edits the Fool out of it.

Timothy Williams: A lot of it. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: It's edited so bad. It doesn't even make sense. And I'm like every time I watch it.

Timothy Williams: No, no, it didn't the uncut version doesn't make a list doesn't make a lot…

Chad Sheppard: I have no idea what this is about.

Chad Sheppard: And it doesn't make sense either, okay.

Timothy Williams: since I remember some friends of mine. We rented it and watched it and we were like this movie doesn't make any sense. It was just like yeah, it's not very good. All…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, okay.

Timothy Williams: So moving down the line. We've got Leo mccurn as imperious the old monk living in the ruined Castle. an I'll say this because I've regret if you recognize him from anything and Australian actor who appeared in numerous Australian American television programs and films and in more than 200 Stage roles his notable roles include clang and help in 1965. He was in a man for all seasons and 66 Ryan's daughter in 1970. Candle shoe and 77. He was in the Blue Lagoon in 1980 and…

nicholas pepin: But yeah.

Timothy Williams: the French lieutenants woman in 1981. Those are the role that made him a household name as an actor.

Timothy Williams: Was when he played in the British television series Rumpole of the Bailey which I have every episode on DVD. Just he also portrayed Carl youenhagen in the first and second installments of the omen series and number two in the TV series The Prisoner so He seemed to be one of those that guys until I really read his filmography and I was like, no, I really haven't seen anything that he's in. So maybe just he seem familiar.

Chad Sheppard: That's exactly…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. He just seemed familiar the next go ahead.

Chad Sheppard: what I thought too.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah. I definitely remember him from the Blue Lagoon Like the old man…

Timothy Williams: Okay, yeah.

Chad Sheppard: who got the kids on the island and then eventually died spoiled alert. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I've seen that movie, but it's been a long time since I've seen that one. But one person I did recognize was John Wood as the bishop…

Chad Sheppard: right

Timothy Williams: who was obsessed with killing them from 83 to 86. He acted in a variety of Hollywood films. Most notably war games than 83. He played Faulkner, which is where I recognized him from he was also in the purple rose of Cairo in 84 and Jumping Jack Flash in 86. He's mainly a stage actor very much looking in the Circuit, but yeah, I recognize immediately as Falcon from war games. Here's my hot take The bishop is probably my least part of this movie because There's no backstory. There's nothing like he's not a good villain for a great story. You got to have a great villain and I just felt like there wasn't enough.

Timothy Williams: of him to understand Why He was having this weird dream when she's getting the arrow pulled out of her like it. There was just things just didn't seem to connect for me, but he just seemed like we need a bad guy make him the bishop and just act weird. So that's just kind of the way he came across to me.

nicholas pepin: I just didn't really have much to do same kind of with Michelle Pfeiffer they just kind of forgot to write that part of it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, they didn't flesh it out enough. The characters weren't fleshed out enough for me. your thoughts Chad

Chad Sheppard: if the better beginning Like we're talking about…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, maybe.

Chad Sheppard: if you actually saw the stuff you would have known the connection. You would have known…

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: why he's acting the way he is. so

Timothy Williams: Even if it was in somewhat of a montage If they could have a montage kind of bringing you to please …

Chad Sheppard: yeah.

Timothy Williams: and it's funny because when the movie first started because they've been a while since a couple months since I watched it. I was expecting to read some kind of text on the screen in the year,…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: just something to kind of tell you what's kind of Setting up the story and…

nicholas pepin: yeah, I mean he had a whole line about …

Timothy Williams: it's nothing. It's The Alan Parsons soundtrack over the credits opening credits for the first two minutes.

nicholas pepin: how am I supposed to collect taxes if there's nothing left to tie you're just like

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Timothy Williams: And the eye of the bird of the hawk. so last person will mention is who I forgot was in this until he popped up Alfred Molina.

Timothy Williams: These are the wolf Trapper who serves the bishop, of course. We know know him from Raiders of Lost Ark in 1981, which was his film debut. he's been in several movies including Boogie Nights in 97 shock a lot 2000 Lutheran 2003 The DaVinci Code in 2006. He voiced characters in a Rango in 2011 Monsters University 2013. He's also probably best known now first betrayal as Doc Ock and Sam Remy Spider-Man 2, and of course the most recent Spider-Man no way home in 2021.

Timothy Williams: Yep. Mm-hmm.

Chad Sheppard: He was great, man.

nicholas pepin: this was almost a blinking you missing Cameo

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah, there he is and then he's dead from putting his head in a bear trap.

Chad Sheppard: and he looked similar but different enough where I'm like, who is that so I had to look it up like okay.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. No, I recognize a meeting. He looks more like he did back. whenever he pops up on Raiders of Lost Ark I'm like, yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: I forget this is first movie because he looks very different. but he's kind of similar to that.

Chad Sheppard: very young

Timothy Williams: Yes similar to that look and in this one for sure. All right, anybody else in the cast? We want to mention or I think I covered the highlights.

nicholas pepin: I mean, I think you covered the entire cast I just

Chad Sheppard: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, that other ones didn't have much to do so. Yeah. Right,…

Chad Sheppard: Just the guys in the red outfits who they're chasing them. Yeah. the guards

Timothy Williams: right. All right. Let's talk favorite scenes. Does this movie have an iconic scene? I know we're kind of Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Not that I could think of. I knew that question was coming and I was like, yep. No.

Chad Sheppard: No.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I knew was coming today when I was watching and I was like there's really nothing that stands out, maybe the scene where when he kills the bishop at the end with the sword going through him and the chair I thought was pretty cool. And as a kid, I probably would have been the scene that if there was a scene that I watched as a kid I might have not seen the beginning but I knew that part was coming up. I watched till that part because I think the end is what I remembered the most from the movie once they get in there and they're doing their little dual back and forth. I was like I kind of remember seeing this as a kid,…

nicholas pepin: I enjoyed the monologues with a Matthew Broderick Mouse when he was talking to God like here Lord,…

Timothy Williams: so any favorite scenes scenes that you really liked or scenes at least we want to talk about

Timothy Williams: Yes, yes.

nicholas pepin: You help me get out of here. I'll never do this again and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. right right

nicholas pepin: then immediately goes and start to pick pocket getting. you understand you.

Chad Sheppard: you know me.

nicholas pepin: here, I'm weak I mean that hit I mean he was the most enjoyable part of the movie for me.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: And so anytime he was doing his little monologue. that was the enjoyable part for me. Those were my favorite scenes.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I think Chad was right he's really the character for you for the audience to connect the most with trying to piece the story together and understand what's happening. So he is kind of the lead that you kind of follow or he was the character. I cared the most about in the movie the love between the two of them wasn't that compelling to me, between Rutger Hauer and Michelle Pfeiffer the villain was pretty much non-existent. So I didn't really care about that but watching him kind of go through the Journey was the most enjoyable part of the movie for sure.

Chad Sheppard: That's why we didn't get the whole back story is because we showed up when he was breaking out of the prison and beginning. so

nicholas pepin: it's not necessarily a favorite scene, but we do have to discuss it. It's a little Weird, there's one line in the movie early in the movie. That is

nicholas pepin: odd

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Timothy Williams: yes. I know what you're talking about.

Chad Sheppard: Yes.

nicholas pepin: and so I'm going to try to put it delicately because I know this is not my podcast so

Timothy Williams: I mean you could say you'd say verbatim. I don't think it's gonna break any rules.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, he said it's not unlike escaping the mother's womb. Which and then he says something about What a memory.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, what a memory like yeah, that's such a weird line. right

nicholas pepin: It's like wait what first off you remember that secondly, that's where you went to when you getting out of a tight spot.

Timothy Williams: right

nicholas pepin: That's a

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: it was a very odd line.

Timothy Williams: Once again comic relief, but sometimes all the jokes don't land for sure. But yeah when I heard that line today, I was like what did he just say that? Yeah, and they cut away from a very quickly. So it's almost like they were like should we just make it quick, just move along. Yeah.

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Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I didn't actually hear myself, but I read that right when he said that you can hear I guess Donna saying cut are you still hear it as?

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: in the distance. Yeah, I read that too. I didn't go back and watch that scene to see if it was there…

Chad Sheppard: As a balls or yeah.

Chad Sheppard: And either yeah.

Timothy Williams: but could have been I wonder if that was an ad lib of Broderick that he just threw in there and before the director called cut but yeah. It's possible.

Chad Sheppard: One of the things that I liked was the scene where they were actually transforming in front of each other. I can't remember it was…

Timothy Williams: Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Chad Sheppard: which way it was, but it was her looking at the wolf and then they were both fading in you…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: and it wasn't the best CGI or whatever they were using at the time.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah, it's not special effects. That's for sure.

Chad Sheppard: No, but it worked for what it was and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Chad Sheppard: I thought that was a good thing. And the scene where she was falling like Matthew Broderick grabbed her. And then she let go and then as she was falling the sun came up and she turned into the hawk. That was a good scene.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I said, the story itself is interesting and I just wish it was executed a little bit better and that's hard for me to say because I'm a big fan of Donna I think Donner's a great director. I don't know if they just was budget. Or what he had to work with. He just had to make it as good as he could.

Timothy Williams: Which is possible because like I said, I'm sure he wasn't given a whole lot of money for the movie because he hadn't had a big hit in a while. So it's possible. He couldn't do a lot that he wanted to do. due to money reasons

nicholas pepin: And not everything that you do is going to work. Sometimes you gotta

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

nicholas pepin: There's very few directors who hit it out of the park every time they step up to play.

Timothy Williams: Very true. Very true. Very true. so

Chad Sheppard: yeah, because before this movie, I forget which one you were talking about, but The toy was okay.

Timothy Williams: the toy Mm-hmm.

Chad Sheppard: Then before that he was supposed to do Superman,…

Timothy Williams: Superman Right. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: And then got fired from it. So they probably didn't trust him as much as they would have had a you did you know?

Timothy Williams: mmm

Chad Sheppard: 

Chad Sheppard: where to stay and actually done part two Superman

Timothy Williams: Yeah, but it'd been like I said they had been working even trying to get it made for several years and…

Chad Sheppard: right

Timothy Williams: kept having issues. So they might have just been like If you want to just make it and we'll have to figure everything out as we go. but All right. Any other scenes we'll talk about before I jump into trivia.

nicholas pepin: Is any of your trivia about the score? We just going to not talk about that?

Timothy Williams: No, yeah,…

Timothy Williams: You want to talk about that now, we'll jump into that. I can do that first before we get into it.

nicholas pepin: Okay. Yeah.

nicholas pepin: Okay. Yeah,…

nicholas pepin: let's talk about the score.

Timothy Williams: Okay, you want me to read my blurb about it…

Timothy Williams: then you can hear your thoughts.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, they're read your blurb at it.

Timothy Williams: So Andrew Powell composed the score. It was produced by Alan Parsons Richard Donner stated that he was listening to the Allen Parsons Project on which power collaborated while Scouting For locations and became unable to separate his visual ideas for the music Powell combound traditional core Castro music and Gregorian chant with contemporary progressive rock infused material at the time. It was part of a trend among 80s fantasy films abandoning the Lush orchestral scores of composers such as John Williams James Horner and Jerry Goldsmith in favor of a modern pop rock sound. The soundtrack has met some criticism with some saying the synthesizer Laden track. I can hear that whatever it is. Okay.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, hold on a second.

Chad Sheppard: 

Timothy Williams: Okay, we can pause quit.

Timothy Williams: I guess he passed it's like he froze.

Chad Sheppard: He looked positive Is that what I looked like early earlier?

Timothy Williams: Yeah, you'll do a little more blurry because you were moving and it froze while you were moving and it was kind of blurry was funny.

Chad Sheppard: Okay.

Timothy Williams: I was like, I think Did we lose him and then you just went completely out and I was like, maybe he'll come…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah. …

Timothy Williams: I'm not sure.

Chad Sheppard: tried to just reach the real once I typed in that I had to find a password to the other. And then I could restart but it wouldn't let me back inside to go back to the email and click on it again.

Chad Sheppard: Yes,…

Timothy Williams: Not a problem.

Chad Sheppard: My voice isn't great today. we did a lot of yard work yesterday and…

Timothy Williams: Sorry.

Chad Sheppard: at the thing tonight, and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

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Chad Sheppard: that went Not as well as I wanted it to…

nicholas pepin: Okay, there we go. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: A lot of coffin but I have a mute button. So that's…

Timothy Williams: Yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: what I'm yeah.

Timothy Williams: you're good. Yeah, I'm trying not to yawn so much. I hoped it a car show yesterday and then was moving reorganizing my parents basement yesterday. So I'm still tired from yesterday.

Chad Sheppard: Yes car show was yesterday.

Timothy Williams: So Yeah. Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: I saw it was a shack there. cool.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, He was there so he sounds the imitations of him mumbling into the Micra accurate…

Chad Sheppard: very good

Timothy Williams: because exactly how it sounded. right

Chad Sheppard: They just checked off. Okay, don't put that in the public podcast.

Timothy Williams: No, get all this out.

Chad Sheppard: I don't want to get canceled. I mean started when you can't

Timothy Williams: No. All right, Nicholas you good.

nicholas pepin: I'm good. Yeah, that shouldn't happen again.

Timothy Williams: Okay, no problem. All…

Chad Sheppard: get beat his wife.

Timothy Williams: Let me read that part again. Let's see pal combined traditional orchestral music with Gregorian chant with contemporary progressive rock infused material at the time. It was part of a trend among 1980s fantasy films of abandoning the Lush orchestral scores of composers such as John Williams James Warner and Jerry Goldsmith in favor of a modern pop rock sound. The soundtrack is met some criticism with some saying the synthesizer Laden track is unsuitable for a medieval themed movie. While others were more critical with One reviewer calling it the cream of the crop when it comes to atrocious scores and another saying it sounded like an exercise video that got played on top of a low budget 80 sitcom. It is also been placed at the top of a list of worst movie sound scores and appears on three other lists of bad Movie music another commentator calls that one of the most widely mocked soundtracks in the history of film end quote.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, they're not too far off.

Timothy Williams: It's gonna say are you pointer Counterpoint on this one, Nicholas?

nicholas pepin: I mean it really doesn't fit at…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah,…

nicholas pepin: I mean,…

Timothy Williams: it's hard to get through it sometimes.

nicholas pepin: But just because you were listening Ellen Parsons Project when you were scouting it and you couldn't take the two away from each other.

Timothy Williams: imagine it right

nicholas pepin: It doesn't mean it should have happened because it was so jarring and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

nicholas pepin: anytime. It happened. It was just immediately take me out of the movie. I mean those opening credits were all they were just bad.

Chad Sheppard: mmm

nicholas pepin: I mean, it doesn't help that. I'm not a big fan of Alan's partisan project to begin with. but yeah that 80 cents when you're trying to watch a sword and the shortened sword and shield movie, it just' really Took me out of it. It didn't work. I know what was that movie with Heath Ledger A Knight's Tale.

Timothy Williams: a nice tale where they did like the modern.

Chad Sheppard: Queen yeah

nicholas pepin: Where you put that worked? Like that made,…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

nicholas pepin: they worked it into the movie. So that kind of it didn't take it away as much…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: where this one it really? The chest it was not yeah.

Timothy Williams: Your thoughts Chad before I chime in.

Chad Sheppard: Nicholas you ignorant s*** no.

Timothy Williams: no, that's Yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, Counterpoint Point. Yeah. Anyway.

Timothy Williams: I knew…

Chad Sheppard: Okay.

Timothy Williams: you started live 70s.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah there.

Chad Sheppard: Sorry. That's a thing.

Timothy Williams: Sorry, no 70s 80s.

Timothy Williams: I'm somewhere in there.

Chad Sheppard: no, I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I mean It wasn't your typical, like you said John Williams or any other guys with the orchestral stuff?

Timothy Williams: 

Chad Sheppard: but I like that. I like the Alan Parsons Project and I Can Only Name a couple of songs, but I like them.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I know the name I couldn't tell you any songs that they do like I've heard of the Allen Parsons Project.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: But yeah.

Chad Sheppard: Another when they're most popular one is I in the sky. and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: then they did the music for the Bulls. During Jordan's big.

Timothy Williams: is that the okay.

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, they're big theme song as they come in. Yeah, that was thousand parts of project,…

Timothy Williams: Gotcha. yeah,…

Chad Sheppard: 

Timothy Williams: The opening credits are hard to get through with the music and because there's really not much you're just watching credit. So there's nothing it's not putting you in any kind of it's not setting up the movie for me. And there are scenes when they still wouldn't start playing. I'm I just kind of shake my head. I mean I get over pretty quick. but I will say it dates the movie more than it should like it,…

Chad Sheppard: that is true.

Timothy Williams: with it being I said a medieval movie. Thinking, they're gonna watch this again in 10 years. you want it to be more for the period that it's set in not necessarily, what was popular at the time but it was a choice he made a choice whether it was the right choice or not, but

Timothy Williams: unfortunately that seems to be what it's most memorable. Most remembered for is the soundtrack good or bad mostly bad than anything else.

nicholas pepin: and Sarah, I don't know if I'd go quite as far as to say it's the worst soundtrack of all time,…

Timothy Williams: No, no.

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nicholas pepin: but it's Definitely not the best.

Chad Sheppard: No.

nicholas pepin: It's definitely not good,…

Chad Sheppard: No.

nicholas pepin: .

Timothy Williams: Right, right it's interesting and there was another movie that was like that too where it's like The movie Just I mean the music just didn't fit like you could tell they were trying to do something different and it seemed like everything class it took you out of the moment and that's what happened with this one. there are certain scenes. We're like, I wanted to be engaged and a chase scene or whatever and then as soon as the music start of okay, just the music and I kind of takes you out of the moment for a second instead of elevating the moment or making you connect even deeper to the music it seemed to make me detach more so than become more engaged but teaches on

Chad Sheppard: There was the scene where I can't remember. I don't know if it was right when they were leaving the castle. or if it was the scene after he …

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: He told Ruger Howard that we just changed clothes and in the building together. He said you did say no. No, I wasn't there. He said you left her alone. no we did and…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Chad Sheppard: then they're like, okay, let's leave and then when they were leaving it came on a very loudly. And I was like,…

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah.

Chad Sheppard: that was abrupt. it should have been something soft and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Chad Sheppard: we're going to the next scene. It's just jumped into it. I'm like, okay.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, It was kind of jarring and some spots. It's like okay,…

Chad Sheppard: All right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: he could have tapered it down just a little bit. But All right, let's jump into some of the scenes and tria. One of the first maybe we've kind of talked about this scene as well, but it's when the bat behind the scenes one of the first major set pieces in Ladyhawke depicts gastons daring escape from prison, which required actor Matthew brodick to swim in a castle moat emerging dramatically from the water and run on foot across a wintry Italian Countryside, according to Broderick when he read the script. He thought it sounded like a great scene little did he know that the time that Gaston burst from the waters for two hours straight.

Timothy Williams: The reality of filmmaking is often slow and repetitive in this case poor Broderick spent hours fully submerged and icy waters of the moat only then to spend two days filming the sequence of a shopping list Gaston running through wintry Landscapes if he looks freezing on screen, that's only because the actor was freezing in real life. Now, I did read something that Donner really wants to take care of his actors and they gave him a wet suit to underneath his clothes to help keep him what warm which they could use for the wide shots, but he couldn't wear them for the close-ups. So there were times where he really was freezing because he was wet and really cold temperatures so crazy

Timothy Williams: and then another fun story Rudder Howard is an accomplished equestrian. He spent much of his youth riding horses. Even at the competitive level Matthew Broderick on the other hand was not so confident. In fact, he had never ridden a horse before in his life. There's a scene where Howard's character sends products Broderick out alone on his horse. They planned to put Broderick on the horse and then cut before sending it riding off but Howard had other more impious ideas ever a prankster and a firm believer in baptism by fire. Apparently. He slapped the horses rear the animal took off on a tremendous Gallop with Broderick barely hanging on crew members were sent out in Jeeps to track them down and eventually found both Horse and Rider half a mile away. so

nicholas pepin: You're gonna get good riding the horse and you're gonna get good fast.

Timothy Williams: Right, All right, so there was a whole lot of trivia. So here's my last little thing here. So the scene at the end in which Navarre Embraces and holds Isabel over his head while spinning around was Rutger hours idea think he would bring more emotion to the scene director Richard Donner the idea included into the film. So

Timothy Williams: whether it worked or not, I don't know. It was kind of interesting how we just kind of picture up and the sun's behind them and the Allen Parsons music is blaring in the background. It was I'll tell you one thing. It made me think of at that point this movie is about to be over and that was the end. I knew the credits were coming soon. So alright anything else you guys want to talk about the movie before I jump in the box office in critical reception.

nicholas pepin: No.

Timothy Williams: All right lady Hawkins released in North American theaters on April 12th, 1985 debuting at number four at the box office. The Stephen King adaptation cat's eye barely beat it for the number three slot only by a thousand dollars. It was that close. Police Academy 2 their first assignment remained at the top spot for the third straight week while Mass remained in the second spot after six weeks in theaters. So mask is another like I would say as I forgotten he's movie because you can't find it anywhere to stream but that's a movie that I loved as a kid with Cher based on true story never seen it it's Yeah.

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Chad Sheppard: I'm sorry and say I'm Elliot.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, Sam Elliot. Yeah, exactly.

Timothy Williams: I remember being a very good movie.

Chad Sheppard: I wonder…

Timothy Williams: And Eric Stoltz was the

Chad Sheppard: if he left Back to the Future to go make that movie since it came out then same time.

Timothy Williams: I don't remember. So I think he was coming.

Chad Sheppard: 

Timothy Williams: I don't remember so. All right, Rotten Tomatoes has a 67% on the Tomato Meter and 74% audience score. This was the shocking one for me. I am DB 6.9 out of 10 with viewers and a 64. Metacritic. So the critics I guess kind of like this movie. The 69 on Metacritic is pretty high because I'm used to stuff being in the 30s and twenties, so

nicholas pepin: Yeah, Metacritic does hate things.

Timothy Williams: I don't think it's as high enough for a 74 for me. I think 67 feels about right for me for the tomato and the Tomato Meter. What about you guys?

nicholas pepin: I gave it a six on IMDb. I…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

nicholas pepin: it's good, but it's not great.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

nicholas pepin: It's not terrible. it might be a few years before I try to watch it again.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah, this will be one of those that I'll kind of have in the background probably just to have something on but I'm probably not going to pay that much attention to it. it doesn't really hold my attention as well as I wanted to I don't think What about you Chad?

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, I probably won't watch in this somebody says hey, would you like to do this movie on a podcast?

Timothy Williams: You'll probably say no already done that one picking up.

Chad Sheppard: look Nobody done that yeah.

Timothy Williams: All Exactly send them here.

Chad Sheppard: You see this episode. There you…

Timothy Williams: So All right gentlemen,…

Chad Sheppard: That's right.

Timothy Williams: thank you so much for being a part of the podcast today Nicholas what you got going on with pop culture roulette anything special happen in the next couple of weeks?

nicholas pepin: We just did a bracket on stoner movies. For yeah,…

Timothy Williams: For 4:20 I see a search you there.

nicholas pepin: yeah, so it was fun doing a stoner movie bracket. not being a stoner at all myself.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Makes it interesting. I'm sure.

nicholas pepin: Yeah, so other than that just more brackets and more pop culture nonsense.

Timothy Williams: Very cool. d. You still? Being an audience member for a Family Feud or…

Chad Sheppard: no, they No,…

Timothy Williams: you moved into other game shows yet?

Chad Sheppard: they moved Studios. They went to Tyler Perry's Studio open,…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Chad Sheppard: Atlanta. And they changed the way they do the auditions. So I have not been emailed at all.

Timothy Williams: wow. mmm

Chad Sheppard: They're almost done and I think next month is the last of the things so I haven't got a one email so. I was on quick plug it was on Chris Adams retro life for you podcast a couple episodes ago.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Does it war games?

Chad Sheppard: We talked about work war games.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Matthew Broderick and yeah

Chad Sheppard: Yeah, so when you were talking about the John Wood method John Wood, yeah. So we had fun doing that.

Timothy Williams: way to keep it connected. Good job Chad.

Chad Sheppard: Hey, there you go. so that's fun and I think you and I are gonna be doing one coming up. I think yeah, so

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I think so. I've started planting for the rest of the years. I'm having to remember…

Chad Sheppard: Yeah. right

Timothy Williams: what I have coming up in the next couple of weeks because I've planned July August September all that kind of stuff.

Chad Sheppard: right

Timothy Williams: So my brain is kind of moved that way but we got some good episodes still coming up the next couple weeks. So of course, this is a bonus episode. For you guys. I plan to release this one on Wednesday, and then the natural episode will drop on Friday. So look for a new episode. There's still drop this week even with this bonus episode coming out. So I hope that you guys enjoyed it. But that's a wrap on today's episode of the 80s slick flashback podcast. You had as much fun as we did. Please show us some love with an awesome review and a shiny five star rating on Apple podcasts. Don't forget to hit that follow or subscribe button and spread the word to all your 80s flick loving Pals.

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