#104 - "Jaws 3D" (1983) with Ben Carpenter & Tyra Williams

Attendees: Ben Carpenter, Timothy Williams/Tyra Williams (Using same microphone)

This transcript of the full unedited recording was computer generated and might contain errors. 

Timothy Williams:The first Jaws movie directed by Young up-and-comer named Steven Spielberg is a masterpiece an incredibly tense well-made and well acted film that created the summer blockbuster as we know it and change the movie business forever. The first sequel Jaws 2 can't reach the heights of the original but it was a respectable enough follow-up. Then there's this 80s flick just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water again. Set it floor to SeaWorld the plot centers on a group of courageous individuals who must band together to confront a colossal Menace lurking beneath the waves when the underwater tunnels become the hunting ground for a massive shark KSF chaos at the park ensues and survival becomes priority number one and a battle against this ultimate predator.

Timothy Williams: So grab your classic 3D glasses meet us at the underwater observation deck and don't forget to turn on the pressure tubes as Tyra Williams Ben Carpenter not discussed Jaws 3-D from 1983 on this episode of the flick flashback podcast. Okay, guess my breath. All right. welcome in everybody. So glad to have you for this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast, and it's so excited to talk about this movie that may not be one of the best movies ever made, but still fun to talk about and with me again, I have my lovely wife Miss Tyra Williams. How are you doing Tyra? I'm great. Hello everyone and then joining us for the first time on That but on the podcast glad to have him please welcome Mr. Ben Carpenter. How you doing, Ben?

Ben Carpenter: I'm doing great. Glad to be here.

Timothy Williams: Yes, sir. So, let's Jump Right In. When did you see Jaws 3-D for the first time Ben. It's ensure the newest member.

Ben Carpenter: Yes. Yes. I'm thrilled that this is what my debut episode Is this classic of Cinema?

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I I kind of want to apologize. I'm like, gonna give you a better option, but hey luck of the draw. Yes.

Ben Carpenter: No, no. I thought it would be fun to come on here and talk about a movie that maybe was not one of the best ones and I was thinking about it. I saw it in the theater in 1983 that summer I would have been 10 years old and I remember coming out and up until I was that age. I think I just loved everything. I saw every movie was the best movie I've ever seen and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Right, right.

Ben Carpenter: I remember coming out of this one and being like I don't think that was very good,

Timothy Williams: Was it the glass?

Ben Carpenter: So kind of my introduction to bad.

Timothy Williams: It's cinema,…

Ben Carpenter: Bad Cinema I think was maybe this movie.

Timothy Williams: That's awesome. sorry. When was your first time seeing Jaws 3-D remember probably two years ago. So a huge fan of Jaws 1 a thing just too is my favorite of the three. But this one I don't think I really saw until a song. So when it was memorable until about two years ago when I watched all three of them things so yeah. No. Yes crazy. Yeah, Sarah gets excited when it's like Memorial Day weekend or fourth of July weekend, and I think AMC you're one of the cable channels will just play.

Timothy Williams: All the Jaws movies to back and so for a couple of years, we'll catch the first one and then we'll maybe catch the end of the first one and then we'll watch all the second one and then kind of start the third one but some so that when she Jaws is coming on. She always gets excited. Yeah, so that's why I knew she's gonna be fun to be on this one, but I don't think I saw this one in the theater. I think I saw this on cable. When it was on HBO because he knows PG. So it came on during the day. It was one that I probably saw a couple of times but it was never one that I really had with high regard. I remember Dennis Quaid being in it,…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: but it wasn't one that I was like, I can't wait to watch this again. It was like because it was on I would watch it. But there's parts of the movie that I want. I see it now and I'm like, I kind of remember that as a kid, but it wasn't one that really stuck with me. but still fun. So when did you see it last before we watching it for the podcast? Ben

Ben Carpenter: I believe maybe I saw it on VHS, whenever it came out.

Timothy Williams: have many years ago.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah and I haven't seen it since then before today. I watched it again. And yeah.

Timothy Williams: Was it as great as you remembered?

Ben Carpenter: I went into it kind of hoping for maybe this will be flocky fun. maybe it'll just be like can't be,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Ben Carpenter: maybe I'll have a good time watching it and those were the hopes I went into it with and maybe I should just leave it there. but

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Timothy Williams: yeah, right, right.

Ben Carpenter: yeah, it's The I'll let you get into more of the details.

Timothy Williams: When we get into it, All right.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, but

Timothy Williams: All right tower how long so two years ago was when you saw it I thought last summer. Okay I just Yeah commercials at all. Yeah, I mean when we started watching it tonight, she was like have I seen this one before and I was like, we just watched it a year or so ago because I remembered us watching all of it on TV. I think I kind of came in and out of the room a couple times because there are parts of watching today. I didn't remember but I remember, other parts so not that it's the most memorable of Jaws movies for sure. But all right. let's jump into with

Ben Carpenter: I just wanted to ask Tyra. I hurt you You mentioned watching all three of them, but did you know there's a fourth one?

Timothy Williams: I found out tonight. Yeah, does he is still showing me?

Ben Carpenter: Was that a little okay? Yeah.

Timothy Williams: The DVD cover. Yeah, so I have not seen the fourth one did not know it existed.

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: So yeah tomorrow I'll be watching. Yeah. Yes, by the time you get if you watched one and two and if you can make it through three,…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: it's like at that point you think okay. I've had enough you're not really ready to jump into Jaws for and I don't remember the last time I watched Jaws for I know it has Michael Cain in it.

Ben Carpenter: I don't right.

Timothy Williams: But that's about all I remember.

Ben Carpenter: I don't think I've ever seen it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, but I got duped a couple of years ago. I was at some store that had Blu-rays and I saw Jaws collection and I thought it was all for Jaws movies together on Blu-ray and I knew Tyra loved and I was like, I don't like watching movies with commercials. So I was like, we have it then whenever she wants to watch it. We can just pop it in instead of sitting through the commercials, watching an hour and…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: a half movie for three hours on AMC. Is it my idea of a good time? but when I got home I realized it was Jaws, two three and four, but not the first Jaws. So then I was like crap now I've got half I've got part I've got,…

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: three and three fourths of a collection that's not without the one that really matters. So then I found the original one on Amazon really five or…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: six books really cheap. So I bought that one and got the full collection. So I was showing up to it and I was like Jaws Revenge was like have I seen that when I was like, I don't know we can watch it though. I I think it's a little bit more.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, enjoy.

Timothy Williams: I think it's a little bit more campy like you're saying than this one. I think it leans a little bit more into the campus then this one…

Ben Carpenter: maybe you

Timothy Williams: but let's talk about story origin of pre-production which talking about camping is it could have been that way if you know anything about how this was made which I had no idea. I did not know this until doing the research on this So David Brown and Richard Zanna Cooper produced the first two jaws films had an idea for a spoof sequel called Jaws 3- That was gonna be the name of the movie. They brought on producer Maddie Simmons and commissioned National Lampoon writers John Hughes and Todd Carroll to write the script. They even considered Joe Dante as a director and had plans to cast Bo Derek and Richard Dreyfuss in the film. However, Steven Spielberg, of course who directed the first Jaws film convinced Universal to cancel the project by threatening to never work with the studio again. David Brown later regretted not making this booth saying would have been a big success.

Timothy Williams: He's probably right.

Ben Carpenter: I mean with air, this was the age of airplane and top secret and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: it could have been really interesting.

Ben Carpenter: It could have been better for sure. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. …

Timothy Williams: then Alan Landsberg bought the rights to produce the film and the film was directed by Joe Alves who was the production designer for the first two films and was a second unit director for Jaws 2.

Timothy Williams: As with the first two films in the series numerous writers were involved in creating the script Richard Matheson who had penned the screenplay for Steven Spielberg's 1971 TV movie Duel stated that he wrote an intriguing outline for the film. The story is credited to another writer. However Universal forced Mathis sent to include Brody's two sons in the plot, which he believed was not a good idea. They also wanted to say one of the same shark that was killed in Jaws 2 to be featured in the film as a result. The writer was dissatisfied with the final product. He has quoted as saying I'm a good Storyteller and I wrote a good outline and a good script and if they had done it, right and if it had been directed by somebody who knew how to direct I think it would have been an excellent movie Jaws 3-D was the only thing John Elvis ever directed the man is a very skilled production designer, but as a director no and the so-called 3D just made the film look murky. It had no effect whatsoever. It was a waste of time and the quote.

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Timothy Williams: yeah, so that's Okay, he didn't hold anything back in his in.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, I don't pull punches.

Timothy Williams: so the story of the film is actually credited to Gordon True Blood according to a reviewer for the website sci-fi film. The screenplay was actually based on True Blood story that tells the tale of a white shark swimming upstream and becoming trapped in a lake.

Timothy Williams: Carl Gottlieb who had revised a screenplays for the first two jaws films was credited for the script along with Richard Mathison Mathison has reported an interviews at the screenplay was actually revised by Script doctors in June 2020 Alves revealed an interview that approximately 20 minutes of footage were cut from the final film due to landsberg's insistence the character of Calvin Bouchard played by Louisa Jr. Was initially intended to be the Sharks final victim. However, the producers enjoyed his performance so much that the script was Rewritten for him to survive. He said I guess is why his cousin our nephew nephew? You got it.

Ben Carpenter: And yeah.

Timothy Williams: And yeah.

Ben Carpenter: I was surprised how few deaths there are in the movie,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, there's nothing that many yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: They wasted time with the 3D effects. for Yeah. how did you watch it today or when you watch rewatch did you rent it or did you

Ben Carpenter: I just rented it and watched it on a big TV upstairs and…

Timothy Williams: yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, my wife took a nap while I watched it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: Can't blame her.

Timothy Williams: the 3D effects are pretty terrible.

Timothy Williams: I mean it's evident.

Ben Carpenter: It reminded me.

Ben Carpenter: I don't know if you've ever seen it's I think a pretty obscure sketch from scpv.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Ben Carpenter: The Second City TV show and it was John Candy. he was supposed to be in a really bad 3D movie and would you like some pancakes and he's just shoving the pancakes into the camera over and over again,…

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: and that's all the 3D effects and you could tell whenever it was like This is supposed to be in 3D just something sticking in the camera lens,…

Timothy Williams: That's a good analogy. Yeah. yeah. Yeah, there's a few scenes especially there at the beginning when it's just underwater and…

Ben Carpenter: .

Timothy Williams: you see the fish swimming and I know I was reading something I didn't put all this in the notes but originally the idea of the 3D was just to give depth more so to the underwater scenes not as much of stuff really coming at you. but of course the producers with we want people to be scared and…

Ben Carpenter: mmm

Timothy Williams: jumping sees things coming at them. And so The way that they filmed the special effects worked, I guess better for 3D but when it was transferred over for 2D it looks terrible. it doesn't mess very well, which it's pretty bad.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: But yeah, especially when the kids are or the teenagers are going through And under one one of our tunnels and the girl gets attacked by the fake octopus or whatever and the thing just kind of comes out and…

Ben Carpenter: mmm right

Timothy Williams: just sits there for a second. this is totally for 3D it doesn't make any sense for us watching it in 2D, so it's pretty bad, but we

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah, they would have but would have done better to edit and just cut all those shots out…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: because like you said they just make no sense when they're not in 3D.

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Ben Carpenter: They're just like why am I looking at something just sticking into the camera,

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and me and Laramie did. Friday the 13th 3D last year and of…

Ben Carpenter: mmm

Timothy Williams: it's got a lot of the same gimmicks. There's a yo that's coming down into the camera. there's four or five shots are just for 3D that watching it into your this makes no sense. it's only there we got to put something 3D in here every couple of minutes or people lose interest and…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: so it reminded me a lot of that watching it today of those scenes where it's just not really scary. Just something coming at you. But yeah. both movies do have a scene where somebody shoots a crossbow and the arrow comes right at the camera, which I did think that was pretty interesting.

Ben Carpenter: of course that's made for 3D. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Of course on the front of the 13th when you can actually see the wire that the arrow is on which makes it even better.

Ben Carpenter: mmm

Timothy Williams: So speaking of 3D, of course there was a Revival and popularity of 3D at this time with many films using the technique jaw second SQL integrated the technology into its title as did Amityville 3D and as I mentioned Friday the 13th Part three, they made dual use of the number three good time for those to come out the gimmick was also advertised And the tagline the third dimension in Terror as it was Joe Alba's first film was the director. He thought that the 3D would quote unquote give him an edge. I don't think it worked out for him that way. It gave him the unwich.

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Ben Carpenter: mmm No, very very little Edge in this movie.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. All right. let's jump into casting. I'm like things are not a huge cast in this and all I want to talk about a few the ones that were kind of memorable ahead anything really in their filmography and a few we've talked about other podcasts on going to those too much but the film did not use any actors from the first two jaws films Roy Scheider, of course who played police chief Martin Brody in the first two films laughed at the thought of Jaws 3 he actually agreed to do the film Blue Thunder instead to ensure his unavailability for Jaws 3-donna want to make either but if it'll keep me from making Jaws 3-do, so

Ben Carpenter: Just to make sure he had an excuse.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, Exactly because I think it was a deal with universal he had to do so many pictures with them in a certain amount of time. So I'm contractually obligated to make a movie but he was like to make sure I don't make Jaws 3-D. I'm gonna do Blue Thunder, which I know I've seen a few times as a kid. I haven't seen in a long time, but We'll get there eventually so.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: So the big movie star of this movie, of course is Dennis Quaid as Mike Brody Quaid is known for a starring roles and breaking away in 79 the right stuff and 83 The Big Easy and 86 Inner Space and 87 Great Balls of Fire and 89 The Parent Trap in 98 frequency in 2000 the rookie 2002 and the list goes on and on.

Timothy Williams: That's whole tire. We were watching the movie. I said Dennis Quaid stated in a 2015 interview of all his films he made. The most aggressive use of cocaine during the filming was Jaws 3-D and he was high on the drug. He said in every frame in which he appears. So it makes you kind of watch the movie a little different when that.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I did actually read that last night and I kind of watched that with that in mind. it didn't yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: takes a couple tumbles and it's like, that was not Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: I really liked him a lot growing up. he was just one of the actors that I just like I enjoyed watching him on screen.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Ben Carpenter: And so I think probably I don't know if I had that. Feeling going into this movie because as you just read as filmography a lot of his stuff was after this, but yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Ben Carpenter: I just always really liked Dennis Quaid. So,…

Timothy Williams: he was still very much up and…

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: coming at this point because There's another friend. There's a forgotten 80s flick that I'm over saying a lot as a kid The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia. That's like him and…

Ben Carpenter: and yep. right

Timothy Williams: Christy McNichol and Mark Hamill. Of course, being a big Star Wars fan a Mark Hamill will be coming. I was like, I got to see of course. There's nothing like what I thought was gonna be but I remember him being in that and of course.

Timothy Williams: A lot of Inner Space is one of my all-time favorite movies. I love him in that and I like to stuff he's done since in frequency is I love that one the day after the day after tomorrow Flight of the Phoenix Vantage Point.

Ben Carpenter: yeah, that was good.

Timothy Williams: Those are all came out in the 2000s, and…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: he's still doing a little acting here in here and Every now and again now think he's on the new show on Paramount Plus. bass Reeves It's a western kind of show.

Ben Carpenter: Right.

Timothy Williams: So yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I've seen Billboards for it. Haven't seen the actual showroom. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: And I think he played Doc Holliday in the Kevin Costner Wyatt Earp movie, which I think he was pretty good that yeah.

Ben Carpenter: right Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: All So moving along we got best Armstrong is Catherine. She is known for her roles in the films the Four Seasons and 81 high road to China with Tom Selleck in 83. Nothing in common in 86 with Tom Hanks. She also starred in the ABC Drama Series, my so-called life and had lead roles in a number of made for television films. I recognize the name, but I can't say when I was watching the movie like she was a face that I really remembered that that much but

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. I looked her up too. And I saw that she's just done a ton of TV work up to the present day.

Timothy Williams: mmm right

Ben Carpenter: She's in all kinds of TV shows, but I sort of forgotten about her too and…

Timothy Williams: yeah.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Ben Carpenter: until I watched today.

Timothy Williams: And then we've got Simon met corkindale. I think I said his last name right as Philip fitzroyce hit which I guess was the Jacques Cousteau, kind of inspired character with his thick Australian accent. It's not the guy with the big Square camera.

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Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: So his major breakthrough in film came with the role of the Charming and cunning shipboard suspect in the All-Star who done it death on the Nile in 1978 with similar Shady roles and such films as the riddle of the Sands and 79 keeping the momentum Going Hollywood became an option for him in the 80s and he found his good looks well suited for TV with series roles ranging from soap operas like Falcon Crest to Adventures like Manimal. Since then Simon has delved in the stage projects featuring him as both director and actor. I did recognize him when he popped up in the movie. I couldn't say what I remember seeing him on as a kid, but he definitely had that 80s TV star kind of looked to him so far Falcon Crest dynasties those soap opera kind of shows.

Ben Carpenter: Right, right. He definitely.

Ben Carpenter: As soon as he shows up, who he is, …

Timothy Williams: Mmm, …

Ben Carpenter: …

Timothy Williams: yeah. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: this is the guy who's just in it for his own Grandeur and whatever. So, yeah. A very common 80s character,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah, I loved his like Yes.

Ben Carpenter: I think.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. very true and then of course we got Luke Gossett Jr. Is Calvin Bouchard. We've covered him on most recently. We did an episode about an officer and gentleman so I won't go into his bio, but definitely a well-known actor of the 80s loved his New Orleans accent. He was obviously playing with Some of those phrasing we were laughing while he was talking but yeah, and he was good. He had his kind of not really slimy moments. But he's in it, but he's the entrepreneur that's funding everything. So he's Trying to make everything like everything look good,…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: but I know. Yeah that way when they come in to tell them. that Something happened. He's like we're having dinner this better be important. yeah, I come over, right? Yeah, when the first shark sighting they found that we came to get them at the dinner. But I like it when he was in the command center or whatever observation deck and after the Names after Catherine and fitzroyce were attacked by the shark and they come out of the water and he's like is the tape good is the film good. She's like, we're all okay, right as long as the film is okay.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: There's that, classic, looking out for going interest billionaire, and I

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. yeah, it was sort of like a John Hammond from Jurassic Park 10 years before that movie it was you…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, Jurassic Park. Yeah. Exactly. What yeah. Yeah, I was bringing it up with at the end when he's running through the park like trying to save everybody,…

Ben Carpenter: it was basically the same character.

Timothy Williams: get out of the water. I'm like wow. So this was the before Jurassic world, the idea of it being something happening on a theme park, …

Ben Carpenter: Mm-hmm

Timothy Williams: which let's give jealous would be some credit moving the location of the film from Amityville to something like Sea World was pretty smart because it's adding a whole new element of Thrills and scares, that they're on there in this public park and this cre this, animal loose. In this place where there's a lot of public people that you really can't contain which adds a new element…

Ben Carpenter: right Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: which I thought worked pretty well.

Ben Carpenter: it's such a good idea. It's remarkable how little they did with it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. too much time on the special effects. That didn't turn out as well overall,…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: So next on the list. We've got John touch as Sean Brody. I didn't know he was the son of actress Jean Stapleton from All in the Family Fame. He guest starred on his mother series on the family for one episode and 1973. He was remembered by Norman Lear who cast him in a recurring role as Bob Morton on the sitcom one day at a time. He appeared in 14 episodes from 1976 to 1983.

Timothy Williams: His most notable role was this movie Jaws 3-D. His other film credits include appearances in the sure thing and 85 minute work in 1990 and the horror film curfew from 1989. He also did a lot of guest starring in a number of notable TV series namely Family Ties the Fall Guy Love Boat will who was not on The Love Boat in the 80s Hill Street Blues new heart Star Trek the Next Generation 21 Jump Street Seinfeld Home Improvement and…

Ben Carpenter: right

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Timothy Williams: wings. so another one that kind of looked familiar. But yeah, and they

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I thought the same thing. I thought he looked familiar and then Yeah, I looked him up and I'm sure I saw a lot of that stuff,…

Timothy Williams: .

Ben Carpenter: but he was kind of one of those guys that just he looks kind of familiar but couldn't remember…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: what I'd seen him from.

Timothy Williams: if from this podcast, we'll talk about that guys a lot there's that guy you don't know their name,…

Ben Carpenter: Mmm Yeah

Timothy Williams: but you've seen them in a million other things so he doesn't quite catch that guy status for this one, but he definitely was someone that looked familiar. I did kind of laugh in the bar scene…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: because he's just come in they're supposed to be from Amityville is in Massachusetts are Upstate New York. I don't Amity right But it's north,…

Ben Carpenter: And I think it's just Amity. somewhere in New England.

Timothy Williams: New England yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: I'm not sure what state.

Timothy Williams: yeah but in the bar scene, a couple of times. He's speaks very Southern. He's almost like a southern or a Texas type of accent which I've like, you're really not from up North with that accent. It slipped out a couple of times…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: but he's probably the most underused character in the movie. I mean, it's such a big deal then bringing about all my brothers coming in town and you see him he runs off the Leah Thompson for a little while and have a few scenes and then he shows up at the end but there's no interaction with the brothers really at all. it's almost like He's just kind of there to be which I guess they wanted both brothers in the script. So they just kind of fit him in somehow, but they didn't really give that story much much to go on.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, that's one of the things that I think I'd really saw as a missed opportunity in the movie was they were trying to do these scenes. I think they thought they were doing character development,…

Timothy Williams: mmm right

Ben Carpenter: but it was just like there was nothing it was just Chit Chat between the characters and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: it was in the original Jaws There's so much some of the best scenes have nothing to do with the shark Quint telling the story of the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: And just I mean that's such a perfectly written scene and I believe some of it may have even been sort of improvised or…

Timothy Williams: Improvise. Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: something if I'm remembering correctly,…

Timothy Williams: I read that. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: But it's just, talk about just sort of really developing the characters in a little.

Ben Carpenter: Five or six minute scene, whatever it is. and then I think that's kind of what they were trying to do in several scenes and Jaws 3-D and Yeah, they just weren't quite getting there.

Ben Carpenter: But yeah, you're right. It would have been interesting to have a little bit more of the dynamic between the brothers and the only two characters that we're supposed to kind of know they were kids in the original or…

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Mm-hmm.

Ben Carpenter: the first two movies, but yeah, it would have been good to have a little bit more development and conversation there. I think.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. All right in the last one on the castles that I'm gonna mention I've mentioned already Leah Thompson is kellyanne. Of course, we've covered her on our back to the future episodes as well as Howard the Duck this was her. teacher film debut She said an interview she lied about having started in other films prior to casting in order to get the part of Kelly. The first thing she filmed for the movie was the moment where she was attacked by the shark which required to be thrust up and out of the water by the mechanical shark. What a way to start your first day on a big movie is like, okay, we're gonna go ahead and…

Ben Carpenter: .

Timothy Williams: do your death defying something while a lot about your experience, Hopefully, hope you don't get injured because we have other scenes for you to do later in the shoot. But yeah,

Ben Carpenter: I had forgotten I totally didn't know she was in this until I looked it up last night,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: so Her character was kind of weird.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: just sort of I mean I don't know. She met the younger brother and she moved pretty fast.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yes, she He did. Yeah. Classic 80s like we each other and…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I'm immediately fall in love, there's no such thing as getting to know each other. It's just You and…

Ben Carpenter: Right. Let's

Timothy Williams: What was this game? They're playing in the bar the push game. Have you ever I like

Ben Carpenter: I never seen that anywhere before. I don't know if it was a thing in the early eighties.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I was like they're gonna pitch meeting. Okay, we gotta have them something to do in the bar. We've done darts too many times. It's not too darts.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: What's some game we can come up with how they just try to push each other over. Yeah, that sounds great.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Let's do that. I'm even as an element like I'm thinking about as a kid that wasn't even a game that I even think that we even played as a kid, but obviously

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Ben Carpenter: Yeah, you would have suggested it and be like us dumb.

Timothy Williams: right

Ben Carpenter: That's what it push each other over we got to think of something more than that. But yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I guess if you're in a bar and drunk, it'd probably a good drunk game. I guess, you're already off balance anyway,…

Ben Carpenter: That's true.

Timothy Williams: so All right, anybody else in the cast that you wanted to mention or that you thought was worth mentioning? I think we covered it.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I think we covered it.

Timothy Williams: All let's jump into iconic and favorite scenes. So how I Define an iconic scene. We'll start with Tyler this time. So if someone said Jaws 3-D to you, what's the first thing that pops in your mind?

Timothy Williams: just coming at the tunnel and cracking and cracking the glass. Yes. Yeah, that would be the biggest one. Yeah. and then I guess the next one it would be in the station and the control room where he's coming at them and they're all staring at the glass. is he really coming or she because it's the mom. She really coming at us and then here It's like slow upper body is hanging out and have the body is The slow moving shark coming towards them. I got it

Timothy Williams: I guess it's supposed to be in slow motion, but it doesn't feel in the slowest because nothing around it. Yeah. it's just everything behind it is still so it's moving so slow and…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: and of I said here it is the worst special effects seen in any movie and movie history. Yeah, because when most people talk about bad special effects, like that's the first thing we'll think about so is that the iconic scene for you or what scene was you think?

Ben Carpenter: Prior to rewatching it today. I think the best I would have been able to come up with was remembering Dennis Quaid just running around the park,…

Timothy Williams: 

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Yeah you did is right,…

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: right.

Ben Carpenter: after watching it today the scene that I didn't remember this, but it just struck me how Remarkable it was I guess to put it nicely was Phillip. Fisrow fitzroyce's to captured the shark his plan was to lure the shark into the tunnel.

Timothy Williams: Yes.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: And then swim slightly faster than the shark down the tunnel.

Timothy Williams: right

Ben Carpenter: He was getting his life that he could swim just a little bit faster than the shark and…

Timothy Williams: right

Ben Carpenter: this was the shark that we have already established could keep up with a speedboat.

Timothy Williams: Yes. Right,…

Ben Carpenter: so Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: right. gosh.

Ben Carpenter: not a great plan and…

Timothy Williams: no, I didn't…

Ben Carpenter: it didn't work out so.

Timothy Williams: but he was able to keep his hand out and still holding on to that grenade and yeah.

Ben Carpenter: You yes it was nice of him to die that way with his hand outstretched holding the grenade. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, holding the grinning. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, and then I guess we're supposed to assume too going to another scene when the shark is chasing. The didn't Dennis Quaid and best Armstrong. Remember the character names Brody and his girlfriend the…

Ben Carpenter: Hey, I think.

Timothy Williams: but obviously Dolphins can swim faster than the shark because them riding the Dolphins and she was about to be completely eaten and all the sudden the dolphin girl comes by just in time they can't catch up. So I was like, I have to look that up. I didn't know if Dolphins could actually swim fast and then sharks I guess. that's

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, that was one of the points where it just felt like there was a shot missing, you…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Right.

Ben Carpenter: like you mentioned storyboarding earlier. I don't think they storyboarded this. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: No, no, let's just make it up as we go the editor was like I think we're missing something. That's all we got. Are you sure? Yeah. That's what we got. Okay, I'll do my best.

Ben Carpenter: I don't envy the editor on this one the thankless job.

Timothy Williams: No, no. Sure.

Ben Carpenter: Site side note, I believe did I not read that the budget for this was actually pretty huge. Wasn't it like a 30 million dollar budget…

Timothy Williams: Pretty big Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: which at the time was that was? A pretty hot. Yeah

Timothy Williams: I didn't read the actual budget. I did read somewhere where they said the director, blame some of it on budget cuts not being able to do a lot of stuff they wanted to do which I think every director probably complains about budget cuts. No matter what the budget is. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure I can't imagine them not putting money into it. They're expecting it to do, we've talked about the students sequel when Sequels especially in the early 80s were not usually very profitable. They're not like now it was all about franchising like most sequels were known to it's not going to be as good as the original and…

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Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: you're only Going to try to make a little bit of money, but it's gonna be inferior. of course. There's always the

Timothy Williams: the Outliers like Godfather Part 2 Empire Strikes Back, the sequels that are better than the original or better do well but yeah Tyler pull it up looks at the budget was 18 million for this one.

Ben Carpenter: okay.

Timothy Williams: Which still is a good chunk of money especially back then? but they had seen that Jaws 2 had made decent money. So that's why they were ready to or they were willing to go for a third one. So I'm sure they put some money into it. So.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it made eighty million overall.

Ben Carpenter: and I think Right.

Timothy Williams: So it still successful.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, so it made a profit.

Timothy Williams: All right any other favorite scenes or do you have a favorite scene is are their favorite scenes are just things you want to talk about the scene. I like okay. It's voice getting eaten by the sharks in the mouth. He's in the mouth. He's in the mouth and…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: but Is he getting swallowed? What's going on here? And it's finally crunch. Yeah, is that it's just so unreal.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: How's he still moving around and Jaws mouth and so

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I believe I mean it's been a while since I've seen Jaws too, but I think this was the first time we had the camera inside the shark's mouth. You…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and…

Ben Carpenter: which is sort of interesting.

Timothy Williams: they die. Yeah, I did read that. They said for this one they wanted to They did a lot of shots from the Sharks perspective, which they said. They hadn't done as much they did a little in the first ones right?

Ben Carpenter: Mmm Yeah

Timothy Williams: But I think They tried to do a little bit more in this week. they were trying to give a little more sympathetic of why the shark was on that bad excuses. But there are a lot of shots of the shark swimming. You see more of the Sharks point of view rather than you see of the shark as a whole.

Ben Carpenter: yeah, and as bad as this movie There is something like showing from the shark's perspective and looking up from Down Under the water and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: seeing in this movie. It's the water skiers. Usually that are kicking their legs and…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Ben Carpenter: that was basically ripped off from the Spielberg movie the first one just doing that…

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Ben Carpenter: but it still works here. that's one of the few things that works like that that does make you tense or it does me anyway,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah.

Ben Carpenter: just sort of that feeling of vulnerability, you…

Timothy Williams: Yes. Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: those people with their legs dangling down into the water and you're looking at the shark swimming up Adam and…

Timothy Williams: you just move faster swim faster.

Ben Carpenter: it's right right.

Timothy Williams: My God,…

Ben Carpenter: So one time I felt a little bit tense, but

Timothy Williams: he's gonna get So any other favorite scenes for you Tower? That's it for me. I have a worse scene, but okay what you want to do a favorite scene and then we'll do it. I work into her worst thing.

Ben Carpenter: I said my favorite scene was fitzroyce and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Ben Carpenter: his plan quote unquote plan swimming down the tunnel. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: All right. Yeah. Yeah, I can't say that. I have a favorite scene there. I will say just about all the obvious 3D effects where the effect doesn't look anything like the background it just looks like it was just a matted,…

Ben Carpenter: yeah, right.

Timothy Williams: yeah over top. Laugh every time I saw that just made me laugh and so it wasn't meant to be a comedy. I'm sure but I chuckled a lot watching it. Yeah, so what's the worst scene for you? So I have to the first was gonna be at the beginning when you just have this shark head float or the fish airflow. Yeah you is that a foreshadowing of John's getting blown up at the end and the last scene where they're

Timothy Williams: Dennis Quaid and the girl are in the water and they escaped they've blown Jaws up and they're throwing their arms up. Yeah here come the Dolphins these and she's so excited about the dolphin not being dead, right and swimming towards her and jumping up in the air. You just escaped death and you excited about a dolphin it doesn't make sense. She trained the dolphin. She loved the dog. I did it. Yeah. No, she was a little excited about the dog. He was overly excited about

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Ben Carpenter: yes, Cindy and Sandy the Dolphins.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, in which I had read those Dolphins were really from SeaWorld and up until 2002. I think they were still performing at SeaWorld or one of them was.

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: And if I'm not mistaken The Descendants are there now? It might be yeah or Shamu's decision shampoo doesn't yeah. Yeah, and as the last ones they off they won't have Dolphins there anymore, Because dolphins kill to Yeah, according to things I've read dolphins are actually more prone to attack humans than sharks. But because of Jaws we are more afraid of sharks than Dolphins. But yeah, there's more. Yeah. Yeah, if you probably be better than just here's another forgotten. We've covered One Crazy Summer on if you ever seen that one from the 80s. Yeah, so, in that one they're making a movie and there's a movie within the movie where

Timothy Williams: I can't remember the name of it. But it's the dolphin with rabies is what they have and it's a huge, styrofoam dolphin, but yeah, but what's talking about sea world? I will give some props to best Armstrong because the scenes of her like riding the whale and doing the training scenes like she obviously spend some time with them and learn I do that because that mean that was her doing that not a stunt person. So I thought she did really well in those scenes of she was believable as a trainer an employee with SeaWorld for sure.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: so cheesy

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, right. Yes 80s Flixster notorious for their Freeze Frame endings so that one but yeah, but because the Dolphins were supposed to be in 3D specially now on the 2D they just look like what's that little Cardboard paste you just stuck on top of the film Ben. I think the worst scene for me. and the one that I laughed the hardest at I laughed really hard but when Jaws explodes and all of it's not just one explosions like three different blood explosions and…

Ben Carpenter: Really? Yeah.

Timothy Williams: then all the stuff comes jumping out at you that looks and…

Ben Carpenter: Somebody needs to make a dolphin horror movie then.

Timothy Williams: then of course the two the actual Jaws the teeth are there and I was like, wow, He went for it. I may give him props. He really tried to make it be something…

Ben Carpenter: Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure.

Timothy Williams: but it was so bad. my goodness.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: No anything.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: No, this is one and only shot because he was upset. Right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: yeah. yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, right it.

Timothy Williams: All right. Let's take a pause Towers. So it is some water. Okay.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I had the same thought when you could tell it was really her and…

Timothy Williams: She got something there through.

Ben Carpenter: she would swim over and they didn't switch, there was no cut where it was actually a stunt person doing it. So

Timothy Williams: All right. Good.

Ben Carpenter: But yeah Tyra you sort of led into…

Ben Carpenter: what I was going to say was my worst scene was.

Timothy Williams: Hannah's coming out this is the…

Ben Carpenter: right after that the last shot…

Timothy Williams: This is why I don't do live podcast.

Ben Carpenter: where the Dolphins on both sides of the screen,…

Timothy Williams: have to edit

Ben Carpenter: they jump up and then they freeze frame and…

Timothy Williams: There's two waving.

Ben Carpenter: a Victorious,…

Ben Carpenter: it would have been cheesy on an 80s sitcom or…

Timothy Williams: Hannah just got braces so they had to pull some teeth and…

Timothy Williams: she got her braces. She's had them a little over a week now. so

Ben Carpenter: something, and this is a sequel to one of the best movies ever made and Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yes. she was able to eat some chicken nuggets today. She's not been able to eat too much solid food, but she was able to get down some more food today.

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Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: All right better Yes. I don't know what that was. It was just me and happens to me. All right. let's jump into some scenes and…

Ben Carpenter: yeah, it looked awful.

Timothy Williams: trivia and maybe make us think about some other scenes that we may want to talk about. So this is the only Jaws movie which does not feature any scene set on Amity island or by extension filmed at Martha's Vineyard. although most scenes in the film were shot at SeaWorld where the film took place some environments depicted in the film do not actually exist at the theme park…

Ben Carpenter: All right.

Timothy Williams: which I'm sure like the whole underwater,

Timothy Williams: yeah. right

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I feel bad for I don't think the director he didn't go on to do.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: anything else and

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Which is…

Ben Carpenter: I always feel bad…

Timothy Williams: why we were Towers is this SeaWorld in California?

Ben Carpenter: because when he got the job,…

Timothy Williams: The one in Florida? That's like I'm pretty sure he says at some…

Ben Carpenter: he thought he had made it this was his Big Break

Timothy Williams: They say it's in Florida and it was shot in Florida. So yeah just did not look like Florida at all. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: So, of course we talked about the 3D the film was also shown in standard 2D widescreen theatrical with the saint with the name revised to just Jaws 3-D with the processes to remove the stereo scopic Imaging there were some strange analog Optical quirks such as having strange blurring on the edge of the frame as well as an odd color palette not unlike the early technical or…

Ben Carpenter: I'll take a water break too then.

Timothy Williams: process additionally in 2D is sometimes blatantly clear which shots are meant to be the quote unquote popcorn dropping 3D money shots with the exaggerated depth of field with forward mid and…

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: distance perspective. So that's all the stuff we talked about already.

Ben Carpenter: I kind of see Hannah back there.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it just didn't work. But yeah, I think it's one of those things where you think that they would have in hindsight.

Ben Carpenter: Really? she ought to be getting kind of used to him by now…

Timothy Williams: They probably would have said let's film this or do some scenes in do 2D effects and 3D effects. That way if it's shown on,…

Ben Carpenter: then that's a tough.

Timothy Williams: whatever screen it would work.

Ben Carpenter: I remember that.

Timothy Williams: So I will say though it would be fun if any theater decided to do this or…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. good.

Timothy Williams: if they remastered it some way to make it more like 3D. It would be fun to watch in these for the camping to suburb just for the original effect of it, but not they used to do movies. Where you could just see just a regular movie or You could go see where the scenes differently or Was it the 3D movie? You just didn't get the glasses? 3D movie is blurred. If you don't have the glasses because of how the effect worked but yeah, they would show it in they would have a TV. They would have to be versions.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. The fact that Orlando is 50 miles from either Coast might be a problem,…

Timothy Williams: So there were two separate versions of a move. Yeah, because some theaters didn't have the 3D projectors. So you'd have to go to a larger City or…

Ben Carpenter: But I remember walking out and…

Timothy Williams: only certain theaters would have it so Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: my dad saying that he was Orlando's not even anywhere near the coast.

Timothy Williams: I think we talked about that previously. Yeah, but this one. You might have worked. Yeah. So in one of the remade shots when the shark explodes…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: which I talked about my worst thing some of the entrails that fly out of the screen in 3D are actually brown leather ET dolls. So now that was kind of a no way that was a snub to Spielberg or a nod maybe like hey and I really looked for it today. I couldn't mean it's some kind of real material they had exploding out but you can't really tell what it was. Yeah, at first are those intestines? Yeah, but as they get closer as they come is it seem like they get shoved in your face is like the teeth do come over there before that. It's just blobs like yes.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I'm thinking it's supposed to like intestines or pieces of the shark that exploded but it just like brown blobs. So that's why

Timothy Williams: so in all four Jaws movies are references made earlier in each film to how the shark is going to die and Jaws Hooper warned Brody about the air tank blowing up…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: if you screw around with it and Jaws Hendricks in the old man find the power line, which later electrocutes the shark in this movie an argument ensues about Phillip fitzroyce using grenades and in Jaws Revenge Jake is working on a transmitter that sends out high frequency…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: because that's how they kill it in the fourth and with frequency, so Always find a way to blow it up. the last two they forgot to blow it up. but

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Timothy Williams: Yeah. we'll let you know later when we watch it tomorrow. But I don't have this in my notes, but of course now Tyra these are the kind of movies that Tyra loves the Sharknado movies any kind of just natural disaster, which is twister fan deal storm and we have seen both of the Meg movies in the theater like that. She was very excited about the Meg. have you seen the Meg movies the Jason Statham super superstar movie so I mean it's that you want to talk about campy like those are what you're going in for, it's gonna be outrageous and dumb but definitely Yes, yeah. yeah.

Timothy Williams: yeah watching this one today.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: It made me think about some of the Meg movies like they're just

Ben Carpenter: yeah, it's just blobs coming out and

Timothy Williams: Obviously, we wouldn't have the Meg without jaws and I didn't write down there were so many other movies that Jaws inspired not just shark movies, but piranha grizzly.

Ben Carpenter: Mmm Yeah

Timothy Williams: There were a bunch. I remember seeing piran as a kid alligator or Gator when they're a movie that alligator that…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but yeah, so yeah.

Ben Carpenter: There were some movie about a bear too. I remember seeing.

Timothy Williams: I think that's Grizzly or…

Ben Carpenter: Yep. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Grizzly is all. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah. I mean, I think they just went through the whole Zoological. table and just There's Cujo with rabbit dog.

Ben Carpenter: 

Timothy Williams: Right, right. I mean much I mean just with the Halloween's burned,…

Ben Carpenter: 

Ben Carpenter: And yeah.

Timothy Williams: Friday the 13th, which then spurned, Nightmare on Street like the slasher movies The Good The Bad, all the cheesy ones that came out after that's all just trying to duplicate the same kind of story with just do characters and trying to be more creative with…

Ben Carpenter: right Right,…

Timothy Williams: how to kill people basically or yeah, alright, so that's all the trivia I have for that one.

Ben Carpenter: 

Ben Carpenter: right. I don't see…

Timothy Williams: A box office and…

Ben Carpenter: how like blasting it with some kind of frequency is did that make it blow up?

Timothy Williams: critical reception Jaws 3-D opening North American theaters on July 22nd 1983 coming in at number one at the box office that weekend booting staying alive from the top spot in its second week.

Ben Carpenter: Like I said, I don't think I've seen the fourth one. But if it Okay.

Timothy Williams: The only other new releases that weekend were class that came in number four and one of all time favorites Mr. Mom which debuted 13 which kind of makes me sad that Mr. Mom.

Ben Carpenter: What? Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Got me out by Jaws 3-D Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: why was I I thought Mr. Mom ended up being a big hit though,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I think it was a slow.

Ben Carpenter: I guess it was just maybe it right.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it was Word of Mouth.

Ben Carpenter: They just released it in a few theaters at first.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, okay.

Timothy Williams: but after it's opening weekend,…

Ben Carpenter: No, no,…

Timothy Williams: the film's box office grosses decline sharply by over 40% during later weeks.

Ben Carpenter: I haven't seen those.

Timothy Williams: Although was still drawing huge audiences when it was pulled from theaters,…

Ben Carpenter: right Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but they did say that it made money, but it did not make the kind of money the first two it was a significant drop of its total gross compared to the first two so…

Ben Carpenter: And it's crying for that it's trying to just can't be fun and that's like I said, that's what I was kind of hoping. This might be, right…

Timothy Williams: but still in the money from the moment when I'm making number four,…

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: so I guess they waited a few more years. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: I think for a couple years Jaws was the highest grossing movie of all time before Star Wars came out.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah. yeah, it was the first Blockbuster. that was the film that coined the phrase Blockbuster.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Right and specially the whole summer season like that after Jaws they audiences expected to have big. extravagant popcorn movies to go see every summer.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. They call them tent pole movies now, like the Studios have their tent pole for certain certain Seasons like Korea now, it's summer and Christmas of the two hottest times now, but yeah for sure.

Ben Carpenter: right

Timothy Williams: So critical reception Rotten Tomatoes. gosh, these are pretty bad Rotten Tomatoes is 11% on the Tomato Meter and a 17% audience score IMDb is 3.7 out of 10 with viewers and a 27 on Metacritic. That's one of the few times that Metacritic is actually higher than the Tomato Meter but

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I got to say those scores seem a little high to me.

Timothy Williams: I don't think it's that bad. I mean no. Yeah. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: No, you're right. I've seen worse. But yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: it's yeah.

Timothy Williams: Watching it today and…

Timothy Williams: really thinking about I said if you took out the really bad effects, and they're really bad 3D. It's actually not that bad of a movie. I think the 3D hurts it more than it helped it, especially now with rewatching it. it definitely dates it and doesn't hold up as well, And they could have improved the story. I think you lose some of the story because they wanted to focus so much on the effects and the shocking of the 3D. But like I said, I think moving it to the theme park was smart and like I said adding and you level of tension especially there at the end when that one group is kind of Trapped In The Water room. that's a good panicky scene, really that was maybe think about, Jurassic world and that kind of franticness of that so,

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Timothy Williams: Yeah, I mean it's not a great movie and I think I gave it three stars out of five on. Something but Where would you put it to how would you rank it? Out of five or ten do ten. Ten three a three out of 10. Okay. So You're right there and IMDb. Yeah. Then you stay with sticking with a little bit more

Ben Carpenter: I just didn't feel like even the plot and the characters and the dialogue and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Ben Carpenter: really came together. Nothing Really worked it. Like I said, I felt it like trying to be some as the same as the predecessors jaws and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: Jaws which

Timothy Williams: it's not gonna touch the original. I mean, it's that but go ahead.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, they're trying to match. Like I said, I really hold the first one Very high regard as far as some it's so much more than just a scary movie.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah,…

Ben Carpenter: It's really a great man versus nature.

Timothy Williams: right. Mm-

Ben Carpenter: story and all the characters and the writing it's what I really do think it's one of the best movies ever made as far as it's also incredibly entertaining the first one and so

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, it's kind of too bad. I look at the Jaws movies as one of those. Things it's kind of too bad. They didn't just leave it alone. I feel that way about the Matrix as well,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. …

Ben Carpenter: The first Matrix is just so great.

Timothy Williams: yeah for sure. Yeah.

Ben Carpenter: And I remember watching it with my kids and for them seeing the mate the first Matrix for the first time and at the end they said that is there more and I said just pretend there's not

Timothy Williams: Yeah, that's a great analogy. Yeah. Yeah, maybe my thinking is that the potential I see of what Jaws 3 I want to make it better. But yeah. It didn't pan out that way. So.

Ben Carpenter: right yeah, it's frustrating when like I said, I think it was a good idea. It was a good idea for just as far as a story goes, but

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Ben Carpenter: But it was interesting to see it again.

Timothy Williams: All right, we're gonna wrap. yeah.

Ben Carpenter: I was interested in watching it,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I mean stuff. Yeah. Right.

Ben Carpenter: .

Timothy Williams: Yeah, it's still fun to talk about and it's one once again. I mean I talk about rewatchability. It's one that I'll definitely watch again. I mean, I'm not gonna rush to watch it, as often as I would Jaws one two, but It's almost one of those good bad movies where? Because it made me laugh and I did …

Ben Carpenter: he

Timothy Williams: there's just because it's so bad. It's fun to watch it. Has that kind of quality to it. Not the best of those but it does have that going forward I guess for rewatchability.

Ben Carpenter: yeah. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So I didn't fall asleep. I mean I kept me someone engaged. I was only on my phone for maybe 20 minutes here and there. but yeah.

Ben Carpenter: Not I paid attention the I was watching it whole time and it does have a couple of those scenes that rise to that so bad. It's good level.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: All right, we're gonna wrap this one up before we do this have our 80s flick flashback feedback moment. So I'm gonna read one of the reviews that we've gotten on Apple podcasts. So this one comes from the biz08. I'm not sure who that is. But that was the name or the call sign there and they gave us five stars. And the title of the review is great reference to Back to the Future and this is what the biz08 had to say. I love the fact that a show this exists a place where I can geek out over all the awesome and awesomely bad movies I grew up on and even discover some must see blind spots. I special enjoy the trivia and the stories of when they first saw the films if you grew up watching 80's movies like I did this is definitely the podcast for you. thank you so much Biz await for that awesome review. Appreciate you taking the time to give us a review on Apple podcast.

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Timothy Williams: Thank you Ben for being a part of today's episode. Yep, glad to have been definitely have you back.

Ben Carpenter: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Timothy Williams: We'll do a better movie Next time. I promise. you only go up from here.

Ben Carpenter: It would be difficult not to.

Timothy Williams: So that's the good part about this one. So All right folks.

Ben Carpenter: Yeah, I'll look forward to it.

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