#107 - "Christine" (1983) with Laramy Wells (from "Moving Panels" Podcast)

Attendees: Moving Panels (Laramy Wells), Timothy Williams

This transcript of the unedited full episode recording was computer generated and might contain errors. 

Timothy Williams: Stephen King taught us some important lessons while ascending to his rightful place as America's most prolific author of horror and Supernatural fiction. For instance. Don't dump pigs Blood On Carry never stay at the shinings Overlook Hotel and for goodness sake tread lightly when dealing with a 1958 Plymouth Fury named Christine.

Timothy Williams: King takes the classic tale of Boy Meets Girl to frightening Heights when a geeky teenager named Arnie Falls for a red Plymouth Fury with a sketchy past Christine Falls hard for Arnie too, which would be roses and balloons with which would be roses and balloon drops if it weren't for one tiny detail. The car is a killing machine with a long memory and a short fuse moral of the story never underestimate the fury of a theory particularly one. That just won't die. So jump in the fury put out your cigar and try not to choke on your hamburger as Laramie Wells and I discuss Christine from 1983 on this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast.

Timothy Williams: welcome in everybody. So glad to have you on this episode of the 80s flick flashback podcast and we're talking about a movie that may not be one of the most beloved Stephen King adaptations, but still one worth talking about we're talking about Christine from 1983 based on the Stephen King novel even though the book wasn't actually out yet when they started filming that we'll get into that a minute. Let me introduce my guest host for this episode who loves to read a book and then talk about the movie that it's based on. It's Laramie Wells for moving panels podcast.

Moving Panels: It's almost as if I should do a podcast about that where I read books and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah,…

Moving Panels: connected to movies somehow. Wonder

Timothy Williams: but maybe not like novels but maybe books with pictures in them and…

Moving Panels: No, graphic novels.

Timothy Williams: graphic novels.

Moving Panels: Yeah, I don't need too many words.

Timothy Williams: Right, right. But welcome to the show Laramie, welcome back again. So let's Jump Right In. When did you see Christine for the first time?

Moving Panels: It was a good long part of later in life.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: Not because I was trying to avoid it. I don't think I knew this existed…

Timothy Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: until I was older. I am a big Stephen King fan, but I don't think I knew this movie existed, kind of like you said it's not really one that people talk about when they're talking about Stephen King movies. I also think a lot of people may be connected more with John Carpenter considering it actually says John Carpenter's Christine.

Timothy Williams: Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Moving Panels: But I don't know. It was probably. late 2000s So maybe not 2010s yet,…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: but maybe late 2000s when I first saw it.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, it's been much later for me. I think the first time I watched this was actually this past Halloween I usually watch …

Moving Panels: wow.

Timothy Williams: scary movies during that season So like I said, document on this podcast. I wasn't a huge horror movie fan growing up and of course this coming out in 83, I was much too young to see this at a young age. And I'm kind of like I wasn't aware of Stephen King, books turned into movies until I was much older. he in the 90s was kind of why I kind of you that he was

Moving Panels: Yeah, because he had all the TV mini series.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: That was where my connection with Stephen King adaptations came from

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Timothy Williams: I want to say I knew that was a huge thing when it came on TV in the 80s.

Moving Panels: yeah.

Timothy Williams: So that was probably the first on you about it. And I think I want to say I kind of remembered Carrie knowing that was a Stephen King movie. But once again, I was probably much later. But yeah, and getting ready for this episode. I completely forgot John Carpenter was the director of this until it started and I was like, that's interesting to we covered a lot of John Carpenter movies on the podcast already, but this is one that I kind of forgot that he had had a part of So how long has it been since you watched it before we watching it for the podcast?

Moving Panels: Probably when I first saw it in the late 2000s. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Not one that you kind of want to go back to on a regular basis. For me anyway.

Moving Panels: No, It's not one of the better Stephen King movies.

Timothy Williams: No, no. All right. let's jump into story origin and pre-production don't have a whole lot to read here. keep it brief. But Richard Colbert's the producer of the 1979 miniseries Salem's Lot had become familiar with Stephen King when he produced the series King Edson him manuscripts of two of his books Cujo and Christine. Cobrits was attracted to Christine's theme of America's obsession with cars. So he bought the rights to the novel. John Carpenter was covert's first choice for the director. But Carpenter was initially unavailable due to two other projects and adaptation of another Stephen King novel Firestarter and an adaptation of the novel The Ninja by Eric Van Lustbader, however, production delays on those projects allowed Carpenter accept the director position for Christine Carpenter and cobras had previously worked together on the 1978 TV movie someone's watching me.

Timothy Williams: Bill Phillips was Carpenter's choice for writer and he was brought shortly after Carpenter arrived Carpenter was joined by special effects supervisor Roy orbegasse who had previously worked with him on the thing in 1982 Carpenter said that he didn't intend to direct Christine and he saw it as a job rather than a personal project. He had previously directed the thing as we mentioned which Poorly received leading to critical backlash looking back carpenter has said that although he didn't find Christine very frightening. He felt that he needed to direct that at that time for his career. But we both know the thing is phenomenal moving.

Moving Panels: The thing is amazing.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah one of my favorites. For sure.

Moving Panels: I can't no, yeah.

Timothy Williams: Just ahead of its time or just I think that was a lot of his movies just it was released at the wrong time and couldn't find its audience based on other stuff that was out at the time.

Moving Panels: Yeah, except this one wasn't ahead of its time.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. No, no, not at all. So anything else about the storage repeat production that you know about or any

Moving Panels: I do not. My only thing is I know that they got the rights to it before. I don't know if it was officially before King had finished writing…

Timothy Williams: Mm- right

Moving Panels: but it was before the book was published because I think the movie moving came out in spring of 83. And then the book didn't come out until vice versa scratch that Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Got Yeah, yeah because it was in paperback when they hit.

Moving Panels: the book came out first. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Right, but it was just hitting paper back when the movie hit I remember reading that so it was still fairly new.

Timothy Williams: But they had started working on it before it was published.

Moving Panels: Yeah. But yeah, the book did come out…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: but I think the book came out in Spring and then this movie. I mean, I'm sure you'll say the date in a minute…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: but this movie I don't think came out until December. so

Timothy Williams: Just jumped down there and see December 9th. So you're right December.

Timothy Williams: All I know you want to talk about the book and the differences because you actually read the book recently, which is one of the reasons why we decided to do this episode at this time,…

Moving Panels: yeah.

Timothy Williams: so you're like hey, I'm reading Christine you want to talk about that? I was like sure let's do it. You want to talk a little bit about the book before we jump into casting or you want to save it till? later

Moving Panels: I mean, yeah, there's really not much to talk about other than the connections and differences with the movie.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: I will say that the book is a lot more graphic,…

Timothy Williams: Yes, yeah.

Moving Panels: which a lot of Stephen King is

Moving Panels: It's a lot more graphic it takes a little bit of a Different Twist. And so it was really surprising because I'd seen the movie obviously had never read the book.

Timothy Williams: 

Moving Panels: I just read the book just a couple of weeks ago. And reading through the book. I'm honestly said I hadn't seen the movie and probably a good decade and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: I'm reading the book and there's constantly time to going I don't remember that from the movie.

Timothy Williams: right

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Moving Panels: and then there's other scenes that I'm reading and I'm going yeah, I remember that happening, but Yeah, but like I said, we'll probably hit things as we're talking about moments from the movie and all.

Timothy Williams: All Yes, I have a little blurb about it in my notes, but we'll wait till we get to scenes in trivia. So let's go ahead and jump into casting. Which is an interesting cast for this movie. I would say not necessarily bad just interesting. So we'll start with Keith Gordon as Arnie Cunningham. Gordon's first feature film role. Was that of Class Clown Doug and Jaws 2 the 78 sequel to Jaws in 1979. He appeared in Bob fosse's semi autobiographical All That Jazz as the teenage version of the film's protagonist. Gordon then appeared in two films by Brian De Palma as a film student and home movies in 79 and then Dressed to Kill 1980 as the son of Angie Dickinson's character.

Timothy Williams: And 1985 cult filmed the Legend of Billie Jean. He played Lloyd muldaur the son of district attorney who aspires to be attorney general and what I remember him the most from in 1986 comedy back to school. He played Jason Mellon the son of Rodney Dangerfield's character. in most of these films he played a nerd which is

Moving Panels: Yeah. Which works for him he has that look…

Timothy Williams: yeah.

Moving Panels: but yeah back to school was the only thing that you…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: yeah, that's the guy from that was it.

Timothy Williams: That was yeah.

Moving Panels: I didn't know him from anything else.

Timothy Williams: Yeah. I'm pretty sure that when I saw Jaws 2 much later after saying back to school I was like, yeah, that's the kid from back to school with that back to school is what I wouldn't know him the most from for Interestingly enough Kevin Bacon audition for role of Arnie…

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but opted out when offered the lead in Footloose.

Moving Panels: horrible decision Why would you make such a decision?

Timothy Williams: What were you thinking? he had already done Friday the 13th. So I guess he was trying to kind of move away from the horror movie roles at that point maybe.

Moving Panels: He couldn't have played the nerd…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, but I'll …

Moving Panels: though either.

Timothy Williams: I'll say for Keith Gordon, even though he is kind of a nerdy character and the other movies he's been in when he's the straight-up nerd in this it's less believable than when he's like the Sinister, kind of whereas he evolves the cool kid or…

Moving Panels: Cool kid. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: whatever. So the nerd felt like it was being laid on a little too thick for me. he was really trying a little too hard to be the nerdy character. for me

Moving Panels: I think that's always the case though when you've got a character that is supposed to later become better looking and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: and cool and all that because I gotta have that look and then you're having to nerd them up is that it's almost that cliche of movies like, she's all that…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. …

Moving Panels: where it's my God,…

Timothy Williams: yeah the big makeover.

Moving Panels: that girl is so nerdy and

Timothy Williams: right You mean when she takes off our glasses and lets her hair down. She's obviously hot all of a sudden. Just like him he's got the glass at the beginning and…

Moving Panels: yeah. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: all the sudden. It's like I don't even my glasses anymore. It's like how did that it's like that just kind of Align there that they just kind of brush past. So

Moving Panels: but the power of Christine

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and of course Tobin McGuire and Spider-Man when he's got his glasses and after he wakes up from being bit by the spider. He puts the glasses on it's all blurry. He's like, I've got perfect vision now, so

Moving Panels: Yeah. and abs

Timothy Williams: And yeah, so they didn't have to work for dog on superheroes. All right, and then we got John Stockwell as Dennis earlyness career Stockwell was an international model during this time became a friend of Andy Warhol, his first feature film as an actor came in a small role in A great title for moving 80s. His best known roles came in the 83 comedy film losing it as Spider later that year and Christine and the 1985 comedy film my science project and 85. He appeared in the poorly received City Limits The One successful the box office. It was later riffed in an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 the head but then there for you.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: he performed the highly Acclaim 1985 TV miniseries North in the South and what I remember the most from he played cougar in Top Gun his brief role at the beginning as cougar who Lost it. Couldn't go to Top Gun. He made guest appearances on TV shows including The Young Riders and Friday the 13th the series he's also directed several films including cheaters in 2000 Crazy Beautiful in 2001 Blue Crush in 2002 Into the Blue 2005 and in the 2016 kickboxer vengeance. and he also wrote the screenplay for the 2001 film Rockstar with Wahlberg and Jennifer Aniston so

Moving Panels: Okay. So I recognize more things that he did behind the camera that he did…

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Timothy Williams: Yeah, exactly, right. Yeah.

Moving Panels: then he did in front. I clearly would have seen him in Top Gun.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: But as you said it was apparently such a small role. I didn't remember that.

Timothy Williams: yeah, he's the pilot the beginning that loses it trying to land on the aircraft carrier and…

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: then Decides he doesn't want to go to.

Timothy Williams: go to top gun, so All right, and then we got Alexandra Paul as Lee Paul began her career modeling in New York before landing her first major role in this movie. This was followed with prominent roles in just the way you are in 84 American flyers and 85 8 million ways to die in 86 and Dragnet in 1987. She is best known for her older tenant Stephanie Holden in the TV series Baywatch from 1992 to 97.

Moving Panels: Yeah. Baywatch

Timothy Williams: She has performed in a total of over 100 movies in television programs that we will not list at this time. But Columbia Pictures had wanted to cast Brooke Shields and the role of Lee because of her publicity after the release of the Blue Lagoon in 1981, and they wanted Scott Baio Chachi himself as Arnie. The filmmakers decline that suggestion opting to cast young actors…

Moving Panels: 

Timothy Williams: who were still fairly unknown. So she was cast in the film after all audition in New York according to Carpenter. He said she was quote unquote untrained young actress at the time, but she brought a great quality about the character to Lee according to Paul. She had not read any of King's books or seen any of Carpenter's films, but she read the novel in preparation. So she really was a novice it came to the movie. so you at Baywatch fan.

Moving Panels: How did she read the novel? Did they get an advanced copy?

Timothy Williams: I know what maybe Or at least a try be the manuscript they got I don't know. That's a good question.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: when you get stuff from the internet, sometimes just as a make sense, But yeah,…

Moving Panels: 

Timothy Williams: so you were a Baywatch fan. That's what you recognize their phone.

Moving Panels: I wouldn't say I was a Baywatch fan. But I did watch Baywatch when there was nothing else on and I mean she's essentially the female. lead next to David Hasselhoff as much as people connect,…

Timothy Williams: Okay. Gotcha.

Moving Panels: like Pamela Anderson and Carmen Electra and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: all of those to Baywatch. I mean essentially Her character she was the second in command to David Hasselhoff? So yeah, 100% recognized her from Baywatch.

Timothy Williams: Then we've got Robert croskey which is a name that I would not have known but recognized him immediately as will Darnell the garage owner. He became a well-known supporting actor in the 80s or…

Moving Panels: Yep.

Timothy Williams: those roles and thief and 81 the natural 84 and Broadcast News 87 his other notable movies included Gremlins to the new batch in 1990, which are definitely remembered him from Offer 92 Mrs. Doubtfire 93 remember him Last Action Hero 93 Rudy in 93.

Moving Panels: Yep.

Moving Panels: Yep, take it.

Timothy Williams: Yep, Miracle on 34th Street the 1994 remake Dead Man Walking In 95 and mad city in 97 his most notable television role was of Sergeant Stan jablonski on the TV police drama Hill Street Blues, which I've never seen an episode of but I remember when I would come on at night and I remember the theme song and then I think was time for me to go to bed. So I didn't get to watch it because it came on later.

Timothy Williams: But according to Bill Phillips and the DVD commentary, he asked Phillips to give him more dialogue to make his character more interesting prosky cited the scene and the novel where Darnell offers Arnie a job particularly the line you can pick up around the place do a few Lubes and put the toilet paper on the spools. So Phillips added the scene to the script keeping the dialogue for almost verbatim from the novel.

Moving Panels: Yeah, I wish they had kept his death verbatim from the novel because his death in the movie is stupid.

Timothy Williams: right most of the deaths in the movie are

Moving Panels: Yeah, again, like I said, the book is a lot more graphic. So yeah, really? I don't know if it was just 83 the times of 83. I do know what you might get into this with a trivia. I do know that there was a push for whether it would be rated.

Timothy Williams: yeah. Right, right.

Moving Panels: Of course 13 didn't exist yet. So Of it getting the R rating and so instead of ramping up the gore. They just put more profanity in the movie.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah that was in my notes. So yeah, I did see that which is interesting, Yeah, It is not really gory at all. There's really not a lot of violence necessarily in it.

Moving Panels: 

Timothy Williams: But It's interesting choice. I don't know if that was Carpenter's choice or the script writer or the studio or what so always First…

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Moving Panels: I always blame the studio.

Timothy Williams: then we got Harry Dean Stanton as detective Rudy Jenkins and her career that spanned more than six decades. He's played supporting roles and films including Cool Hand Luke and 67 Kelly's Heroes in 1970 Dillinger and 73 The Godfather Part 2 and 74. Alien in 1979 Escape from New York and 81 Repo Man 84 One Magic Christmas that 85 Pretty in Pink and 86 Wild at Heart 1990 The Green Mile and 99 Alpha Dog in 2006. He had a rare lead role in Paris, Texas in 84 and in Lucky in 2017, which I have not seen either one of those movies, but definitely remember him from Alien Escape From, New York Pretty in Pink.

Timothy Williams: The other one The Green Mile of course,…

Moving Panels: Green Mile.

Timothy Williams: yeah. Yeah,…

Moving Panels: Yeah, that's a Green Mile.

Timothy Williams: I knew there was one of the pop jumped out on me because what are just rewatched that a couple of months ago one of my favorites.

Moving Panels: Yeah, I will say his character. Is a much kind of bigger part of the book?

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm, but I could see that.

Moving Panels: Because in the movie it's almost unnecessary for his character.

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah he comes in so late in the movie and…

Moving Panels: It's characters almost. Yeah. …

Timothy Williams: then Okay.

Moving Panels: he comes kind of late in the book too. But obviously it's a book. So there's a lot more even after he comes in. but he's involved There's a lot more of him.

Moving Panels: Him, questioning Arnie and even questions Lee at one point. I said, there's just a lot more to him and then that very final scene of the movie where they're in the junkyard there's even more to that in the book.

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: So. Yeah, I mean they put them in there because he's in the book, but at same time it kind of just wasted that character and an actor…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. …

Moving Panels: because again Harry Dean stands a great actor.

Timothy Williams: Right, right exactly. Are we had a few more that are ones that I recognized for sure because we've kind of covered all the major characters. I don't think there's anybody else that we might have left out. That was a major character in this. But I did want to mention Roberts Blossom as George the bay the one who sold them the car his memorable film.

Moving Panels: And sold in the car and then went and saved Kevin McAllister.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah exactly. I say, of course. We know in the most from the next door neighbor in Home Alone. He was also the grumpy small town judge and Doc Hollywood in 91. He did guest spots on TV shows as Northern Exposure The Twilight Zone The Equalizer Moonlighting Amazing Stories and…

Moving Panels: forget a minute.

Timothy Williams: Naked City. I haven't seen him on the Moonlighting episode yet. I'm still going through those on Hulu.

Moving Panels: I mean, I'm sure clearly I've seen him on that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, right.

Moving Panels: I just didn't remember. But immediately see him.

Timothy Williams: Yep. Yes, yes.

Moving Panels: Yeah, he's the neighbor from Home Alone.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, Susie popped up. I was like, I know that guy I want to mention this guy William austrinder as Clarence buddy Riperton only.

Moving Panels: you mean the 40 year old that was playing a high schooler

Timothy Williams: Yeah, right exactly only because I was like where they trying to get somebody to look like John Travolta because that was like we…

Moving Panels: That too. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: but yeah, but yeah, he was definitely when that first thing. We're in the garage. I'm like, okay is this like a college student coming back to harass people but even the colleges a stretch because yeah.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: He had thicker sideburns and I did when I was 40. And then Steven Tash as Richie one of Buddy's friends, of course, I recognize immediately as the male student. that's his role in Ghostbusters in the beginning.

Moving Panels: Yep. Yeah and goes Busters the one that Venkman shocks him over and…

Timothy Williams: Get shocked. Yeah.

Moving Panels: over again even when he's right. Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So I knew I recognized him immediately and he hasn't done much of anything else either. And then a person that I thought was going to have more of a predominant role when they first showed her. The beginning was Kelly Preston as Roseanne a friend of Dennis…

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: who I would say is probably a lot prettier to me than Lee why he was not interested in her and more interested in Lee. I guess she was a new girl at school which is why they were called kind of drawn to her but in the book wasn't Lee more of a blonde than a brunette or…

Moving Panels: Maybe

Timothy Williams: my okay.

Moving Panels: Yes, no. No, they do describe Lee is blonde and…

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: and the book. Yeah, and I probably would have pictured someone a little closer to Kelly prep Preston.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, Preston. Yeah.

Moving Panels: Yes, That's funny that Kelly Preston and they had a guy that kind of looked like John Travolta.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: But because I picture someone smaller because Alexander Paul is tall.

Timothy Williams: Is tall.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, she was model. So she was tall. Yeah.

Moving Panels: So I picture someone that was a little bit more,…

Moving Panels: shorter petite.

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Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: As I'm reading the book, but yeah, if that character is in the book. I do not remember. So I don't even know…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: if that Roseanne character that Kelly Preston played is even in the book.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Yeah, on here. I think this might have been if it wasn't her first movie role. It was definitely one of her first, of course, she was in mischief and 85 Twins and 88 Jerry Maguire 96 For the Love of the Game and 99. She married John Travolta 91, and she was also in space camp and 86 The Cat in the Hat in 2003 Sky High in 2005 and old dogs with John Travolta in 2009. and rip Kelly Christine.

Moving Panels: And passed away way too young.

Timothy Williams: Sorry that she wait, too young for Alright anybody else in the cast that we want to mention? Was anybody overlooked there were a few I did have notes on…

Moving Panels: That yeah.

Timothy Williams: but I was like it weren't really. necessary

Moving Panels: I mean there wasn't really I think you hit the main ones. I absolutely wanted you to talk about the 40 year old that was playing a high schooler.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I couldn't deny that one. Even though he had no other filmography than this movie. m

Moving Panels: I mean I know they always get older people, but you can't look at this guy. Buddy is the character's name.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: You can't look at him and not go he is way too old. Yeah, I don't know…

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: what the idea behind that that was bad. and then I just go ahead and talk about a scene the fact that for a good while he outruns a car Which was extremely unbelievable.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: Because he gets a huge hit start on Christine right before All right, which again his death scene completely different from the book

Timothy Williams: the book

Moving Panels: Yeah, but even his friend the one that gets killed in the gas station. He's the guy I'd recognized from a lot of other. Movies and TV shows. I don't know…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. right Yeah.

Moving Panels: what but I just recognized.

Timothy Williams: All let's talk a little bit about the differences from the book and the movie I'm gonna read the little bird I have and then you please expound if there's other stuff that it doesn't cover…

Moving Panels: Okay. Yeah,…

Timothy Williams: but Yeah.

Moving Panels: we don't have time to talk about all of them.

Timothy Williams: But according to the movie Christine was evil from the day she rolled off the assembly line entering an inspector and…

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: killing another worker who drops cigar Ashley is on a seat in the book Christine was just a normal 58 Plymouth Fury that was purchased by Roland Labay brother of Lebay The Man Who Sold Christine to Arnie in the movie. It's rolling the Bay who made Christine evil his love for Christine overriding even his love for his wife and daughter both of whom died in the car. Thus Roland's evil spirit became one with Christine in both the book and the movie Christine could drive herself from repair any damage the longest she was kept moving when Roland died and with no one to leave no one to love her and drive her around Christine sees to living and began to show her age until Arnie came along.

Timothy Williams: Roland's evil spirit and love for Christine was then transferred to Arnie in the DVD commentary Bill Phillips said he cut out the novel's plot line of the Dead owners Spirit possessing Arnie and actually causing Christine to kill not only to save time and compress the story but also because he didn't want to look like they were copying An American Werewolf in London where Jack does the same thing to David this despite the fact that Can Werewolf in London David is a werewolf? And Jack does not possess David or even suggest that he kill anyone other than himself, so kind of a interesting. Take care.

Moving Panels: Yeah, because what he's referring to there is that in the book Labay actually appears as a dead corpse.

Timothy Williams: Gotcha, much everywhere with London. Yeah.

Moving Panels: and so Yeah, and so there's times where people will say they see, this dead corpse driving Christine.

Timothy Williams: Got you.

Moving Panels: And then there is the fact that he is essentially possessing And so Arnie starts to talk like him. Yeah, Dennis is the narrator for a good chunk of the book.

Timothy Williams: makes more sense

Moving Panels: It does switch between Dennis narrating and…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: it kind of just being your regular, omniscient narrator. But there's even Parts where he describes how When he looks at Arnie, sometimes he sees lebay and…

Timothy Williams: Okay. Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: he doesn't see Arnie.

Moving Panels: 

Moving Panels: And there's even a part towards the end. I think it was towards the end. But there's even a part where all of the bullies that Christine, kills or Labay I get I guess you should actually say kills that they're Spirits or whatever are actually still writing along inside of Christine.

Timothy Williams: Okay. Gotcha.

Moving Panels: Yeah. So yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Definitely one

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Moving Panels: I usually understand when they say they're gonna cut something because it's a movie they got to cut for time and all…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: I think with the fact that they already tell the story about how the Bay's daughter. choked Because they needed that to tie it to when Lee then chokes on the burger.

Timothy Williams: Right right hamburger here.

Moving Panels: Yeah, that it wouldn't been that much trouble for that to be the case. Now liberate labe's brother in the book is a little bit more well to do. So the lebay we get in the movie.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: Is more of the actual Labay from the book I'm even has the line which I'm not gonna repeat of nothing smells like what he says. But that's the thing labe says…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: because it's something that comes back later and Arnie says it. And I don't think you needed that much more time to have explained that yeah,…

Timothy Williams: mmm, right

Moving Panels: a corpse driving or have the corpse show up. But I think they took the time to show.

Moving Panels: that Christine kills the guy and the factory when she's made I mean you could have done just as much To tell the story of Labay being so in love with the car that he eventually possesses it in essence. So

Timothy Williams: Mm- right

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I agree. So other subplots in the book that didn't make it in the film or were changed Roland lebay himself sells the car to Arnie but dies soon afterwards. We'll use the garage as a front for a smuggling business. Arnie get arrested while smuggling cigarettes for Darnell.

Moving Panels: yeah.

Timothy Williams: Darnell gets arrested on income tax evasion. It's implied that he'll cut a deal with prosecutors to tell what he knows about the car and he has subsequently killed by Christine. The romance between Lee and Dennis is almost entirely removed, which I kind of thought it seems somewhat implied towards the end of the movie but didn't really go to fruition detective junkins is killed by Christine near the end. Also in the book Christine is vandalized at an airport Sandy Galton and Airport worker and a friend of Buddy serves as a lookout when Christine is vandalized. He soon skips town at the very end is found to have been run over by car implying that Christine is alive again.

Moving Panels: Yeah, so that's where you ended there, but I do want to go back and…

Timothy Williams: Okay. Sure. Yeah.

Moving Panels: talk about Darnell's death. So at the very end of the book they do have where the cop is telling Dennis and Lee that they took Christine apart and that they put her through the metal compressor,…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: but then there's a part where he says that one of the workers. got cut by Christine. And the guy says that the car bit him. And then when Dennis hears about the guy getting run down. by another car they're clearly implying that when the worker was bit by Christine that was labay's Soul transferring.

Timothy Williams: Spirit right

Moving Panels: Yeah transferring over so that he could stay alive.

Moving Panels: But I didn't mind the movie ending of Christine getting crushed and then you see the one little part of her move.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: I didn't mind that. In fact, I'll go ahead and say this I think there's a couple that aren't great. But a lot of the Christine repairing herself scenes are amazing special effects.

Timothy Williams: yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Moving Panels: That still hold up. I can't tell you how they did it.

Timothy Williams: I can.

Moving Panels: I mean there's a couple of times where you can tell that it's a shot done in reverse.

Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Moving Panels: But then there's other times where if it is a shotgun in Reverse.

Timothy Williams: mmm Yeah.

Moving Panels: It's shot in a way that it's not that obvious. and CGI wasn't really that big of a thing in 83,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, exactly.

Moving Panels: So yeah, it's really impressive. you might have this in your trivia. I'd love to know how many Furies they destroyed but

Timothy Williams: I don't know if I get yeah.

Timothy Williams: I didn't get a number or if I did I didn't write it down. But I do have 15% of the budget was just on the cars by the end of filming all but two were destroyed. so

Moving Panels: Yeah, which is the funny thing because Stephen King when he wrote the book he decided on the Plymouth Fury…

Timothy Williams: right Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: because it was a forgotten car. It wasn't a very well known car and then here he puts it in this movie and he makes it now one of the most sought after cars.

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Timothy Williams: Right, right.

Moving Panels: In the world of car collectors…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: because they want to own Christine, but like I said, I wanted to go back to rn Darnell's death in the movie to me is so stupid. the seat Christine moving the seat up and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Moving Panels: essentially I guess squeezing him to death. it just wasn't much in the book. Christine comes to his house And here's another thing about the book takes place. They kind of imply the timeline in the movie A little bit.

Moving Panels: But the book takes place. It's not because the movie set in California,…

Timothy Williams: Yes, yeah. right

Moving Panels: Yeah, the book is in upper North East area?

Timothy Williams: Mm- Always yeah.

Moving Panels: And so it is snowing and there's snowstorm going on.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: And so in the book Christine comes to Darnell's house and Darnell sees Christine outside and he's like, yeah. I'm in my house. She can't get to me in my house because he has already seen Christine move.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: He knows that there's something fishy. and then Christine I'll try to make a long story short here, but Christine eventually Continues to pound through this ice, or the snow Mound didn't grow up and all that but long story short Christine drives through this man's house.

Moving Panels: And tracks him down to run him over.

Timothy Williams: Wow.

Moving Panels: And that it to me is a much better.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: Seen than what we got and it's a pretty intense scene…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: because I think at one point Darnell tries to go upstairs to get to her or to get away because she can't get upstairs and he has a basement. So he's also hoping that Christine will eventually fall through the floor and get stuck in the basement. But Christine just keeps barreling through everything until she just demolishes everything and he falls and Christine runs it runs him over.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: Then just so much better. of a death scene But yeah,…

Timothy Williams: I wonder if that's What?

Moving Panels: he's a piece of crap in the book.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I wonder if that's just budget why they couldn't do that elaborative a scene, but

Moving Panels: I don't know didn't they do something like that though. There was another movie about a car and a ghost or whatnot. What was it called? I can't remember there's another I'm pretty sure 80s movie that had Randy Quaid in it and Was it Charlie Sheen?

Timothy Williams: Is that The Wraith?

Moving Panels: I can't remember.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: The Wraith didn't they have that car drive through a house and…

Timothy Williams: I've never seen the rate actually.

Moving Panels: that movie.

Timothy Williams: So that's one.

Timothy Williams: That's one of my list of Forgotten eighties flicks that I have that I haven't watched.

Moving Panels: I saw it a long time ago.

Moving Panels: Forgotten, yeah.

Timothy Williams: A lot of people talk about it. it's a favorite in the 80s groups that I'm in but I've never seen it. It's on my watch this one day.

Moving Panels: And I saw it once and very much like Christine. It's one that I went. Okay, watched it and…

Timothy Williams: I can say it.

Moving Panels: moving on.

Timothy Williams: Yeah and put on my watch that I've watched no more watch this. So to talk about the car regenerating itself.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: So to do that hydraulic pumps were installed on the inside of some of the film's numerous Plymouth Fury stunt doubles a mock-up and plastic that looked more like metal on camera than actual metal as it bent and deformed these pumps were attached to cables which were in turn attached to the car's body work and when they compressed they would suck a quote suck the paneling inwards footage of the inward crumpling body was then reversed giving the appearance of the car spontaneously retaking form. So it's a great effect here.

Moving Panels: It's a really cool effect again at the end when Dennis is crushing her with the bulldozer and…

Timothy Williams: bulldozer

Moving Panels: she's repairing almost immediately like that that looked a little fake…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: But the initial scene…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: where Arnie stands in front of her and says show me which I would like to point out in terms of story wise in the movie. It makes no sense for him to all of them. Just except that I have this possessed car.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: The book plays it out a lot better the book.

Moving Panels: They pretty much talk about how is Arnie fixing up this car? Because all they know is that all they've known him to do was he put on a new antenna and…

Timothy Williams: Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Moving Panels: some new wipers? and Arnie himself doesn't know when it's not Dennis narrating. There's Parts where Arnie actually thinks to himself when how did I do that? And then there's this reoccurring thing with his back hurting and it's always like how did you hurt your back Arnie? that's actually what he's saying to himself. how did you And so I kind of like a little bit more that Arnie is almost clueless to what's happening. because again, it's really labase possession.

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Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: That is the part of him that knows but when Labay is an in control, Arnie doesn't really know what's going on.

Moving Panels: So I kind of like that aspect but there's also moments where there's great. the scene from the movie that when junkins is interviewing Arnie And Arnie it is described this way in the book.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: Arnie has to always put his hand on Christine. Otherwise, he has no confidence.

Timothy Williams: okay.

Moving Panels: Yeah, and so I mean I just thought that was a great touch. Maybe a little harder to get across in a movie.

Timothy Williams: 

Moving Panels: But yeah, I mean there was just so much more about it And again. I don't know what else you have left to talk about. But in the book Arnie is not a part of that final battle. Arnie is not there.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: Dennis and Lee have finally gotten Arnie away from Christine long enough that he's kind of come to a little bit more.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: And he and his mom. I want to say it was Pittsburgh because he's looking at colleges and they're gonna take a trip to Pittsburgh and If they Dennis finds out later that on the way there. They're in a car crash.

Moving Panels: And then there's a line about how some witnesses said. They saw three people in the car.

Timothy Williams: Right

Moving Panels: Which of course was supposed to be Labay? which is then how Dennis knows how they were able to stop Christine was because Labay realizing that The battle wasn't going well with Christine he transferred himself over to there…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: because even his Spirit can only be in one place at a time. so that's the other thing is Arnie's mom dies in the book with Arnie and Arnie's father dies Towards the end when Christine shows up Chris the door opens up or Dennis opens that I can't remember and Arnie's dad falls out.

Moving Panels: And you find out that we don't know it doesn't even say why he got into Christine Dennis just kind of says Christine mustard lured him got in and then he dies of, carbon monoxide poisoning. So I can't a lot more tragic in terms of that ending when it comes to Arnie's family.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: and it's not just him getting thrown through the windshield and then having your cliche jumpscare moment at the end that he's not quite Ed.

Timothy Williams: right just

Moving Panels: But again, it also kept with the fact that Arnie wasn't really a part of Christine killing people.

Timothy Williams: right, right. Yeah, which is pretty we got thought was the cool part, but I did like that part in the movie where he was kind of oblivious to what Christine was doing as far as killing all the different people. I mean he kind of knew eventually, but he was never there like he is not when he was in the car you think so.

Moving Panels: I think that they believe that up to the viewer…

Timothy Williams: Gotcha.

Moving Panels: because when Christine is on her killing sprees. For windows are blacked out. So you don't know if Arnie's behind the wheel or…

Timothy Williams: Right, right. Yeah.

Moving Panels: not? and then of course at the end we know he's behind the wheel. So, I think they kind of leave that up for interpretation. I guess that was Carpenter's idea, which I don't mind that.

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: But again after reading the book, yeah, I kind of Would rather Arnie not be a part of it because that just kind of changes his character a bit.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Are we kind of skipped over iconic and favorite scenes, but they were good. Is there an iconic scene?

Moving Panels: No,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah.

Moving Panels: I already mentioned mine. Yeah, it's when Christine repairs herself.

Timothy Williams: I think that's probably the most iconic scene for me. I was gonna say that's probably the one that I would say is most iconic.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: I don't know if I really have any favorite scenes in the movie. I mean, it's okay, but there's nothing that was like …

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: it's so great.

Moving Panels: so one I'm not gonna say great…

Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: but there's because I'm about to talk about one of the murders, but the very first one when she goes after moochie, I have all it has always stuck with me the…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: where he goes into the alley and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Moving Panels: the at least too narrow for Christine, but then Christine just pushes through and crushes herself in order to kill. It's a great death scene.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: In the book he is trying to get to the alley.

Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: But doesn't make it and Christine runs over him again backs over him. I mean it is a very graphic.

Timothy Williams: Gotcha.

Moving Panels: Scene in the book. I mean she and the same thing with Buddy and I can't remember the other guys name. I think there's three people in the car when they die, but that's not a gas station explodes and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. yeah.

Moving Panels: then runs buddy down. that doesn't happen at all in the book. She literally comes up behind them and Buddy tries to outrun her and can't and then they end up going off a hill or a cliff or something which doesn't immediately kill them and Christine again kind of Tracks them down and make sure that they're all dead. so I didn't mind the scene though it's a cool. Look for the movie to have the gas station explode and then

Timothy Williams: Mm- yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: And then run buddy down although again buddy gets such a head start on Christine with Christine peeling off away from the gas station and then you don't see buddy for a good while I'm like good how fast is dude running.

Timothy Williams: right and yeah.

Moving Panels: and then it's such a quick death though,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah. Exactly,…

Moving Panels: because then you just see her go away and you have to realize that's Buddy's body on fire there On the…

Timothy Williams: right on the asphalt.

Moving Panels: but yeah.

Moving Panels: Cool look,…

Timothy Williams: Mm-…

Moving Panels: having Christine on fire. And all that,…

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah. that was a cool scene the Christine being on fire.

Moving Panels: but yeah.

Timothy Williams: Jason after from tearing into that gas station. Was pretty one of the more intense Death Scenes I think for me.

Moving Panels: Yeah like that very very cinematic debt scene.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: So I understood why you would change it because in the movie in the book, she's me probably not extremely cinematic with her. It just being kind of a car chase and then

Moving Panels: Christine kind of takes them out by running them over but I think it worked better. But yeah,…

Timothy Williams: Mm- Gotcha.

Moving Panels: very different from the book.

Timothy Williams: Alright, listen a few more trivia things and we'll start to wrap this one up. So they'll be more trivia in the Show notes and be sure to check those out the movie playing during the drive-in scene is Thank God It's Friday from 1978 which features our running gag where a character's cherished automobile keeps getting damaged both deliberately and inadvertently throughout the film. That was pretty good little nod there.

Moving Panels: bunny

Timothy Williams: little nod there and then probably my favorite story from behind. The scenes is Alexandra Paul's twin sister Carolyn Paul as a joke stood in for during the scene during the ride on the bulldozer according to Paul. She took her sister to the set and said with the help of the hair makeup and wardrobe Department. She dressed up as Paul's character Lee and went to the set with John Stockwell to shoot the scene. They shot her sister Caroline helping Drive the bulldozer and then Paul walked out and jokingly asked John Carpenter if he had fired her Carpenter later admit he thought there was something different about her but couldn't put his finger on it. So they

Moving Panels: That's why I actually knew she had a twin sister, but totally forgot it.

Timothy Williams: yeah.

Moving Panels: So it wasn't until you mentioned that I did know she had a twin sister.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, and then the last little thing I have here is while he was promoting the film adaptation of dreamcatcher in 2003. Stephen King mentioned that Christine as one of the two filling update two film adaptations of his work that had quote unquote bored him.

Moving Panels: 

Timothy Williams: I was like You didn't say what the other one was.

Moving Panels: I can see that what's funny is the other one was Maximum Overdrive.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I could see that.

Timothy Williams: Which he directed?

Moving Panels: Which he directed? I don't know. I will say going back to the movie when she chokes on the burger.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: I like the way that scene was kind of played out the person who saves her is actually a hitchhiker. They had picked up earlier in the book.

Timothy Williams: okay. Not just the person in the car next door.

Moving Panels: not just a random dude. But yeah, it was a hitchhiker. They had picked up and Arnie had gotten real jealous, of course again this labe,…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: but had gotten real jealous of him and was happy to get rid of them. And then she chokes and they stopped to get something to eat and they actually do get him something to eat. and then yeah, he's the one that does that and so that made it a little bit more sense for him Arnie to be jumping out of the car and going get your hands off of her. makes a little bit more sense, but that plays out a little bit more too because she starts choking when and Arnie's actually in the car.

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Timothy Williams: Okay.

Moving Panels: And Arnie actually tries to add her on the back but then there's moments where he just stops and just looks at her while she's choking. So I think that That's more of a horror movie moment.

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: but I will say I did like, how the light brightened up when it happened and…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah.

Moving Panels: Yeah, and in the book that's more where Lee realizes that Christine is Trying to kill her and there it's a big thing if she'd never wants to. Be in the car again and kind of stops dating Arnie for a little while and that's more where the relationship between Dennis and Lee start is after that moment. So Yeah, like I said, there's a lot in the book that this is not a very good adaptation of the book.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, yeah. Which we kind of knew going in. I mean we've covered one that Stephen King was very pleased with adaptation of Stand By Me and I think the only Yeah,…

Moving Panels: Yeah Stand By Me is pretty good adaptation.

Timothy Williams: and then one of course is Shawshank Redemption which he's praised on occasion. Yeah.

Moving Panels: Greatest movie ever so I don't care what Stephen King had to say. that But yes, I've read that one too. And yeah, it's a good other than red not being a red-headed white Irish,…

Timothy Williams: right

Moving Panels: Yeah, but man Morgan Freeman so good.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I agree. All right, let's talk about box office and critical reception. Christine was released in North American theaters on December 9th 1983. And it's opening weekend and brought in over three million dollars landing at number four at the box office. It was beaten by two other new releases that week Scarface and number two and Sudden Impact. Which debuted number one. so

Moving Panels: Got an impact beat-out Scarface. Wow.

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah. That tells you how big of a movie star Clint Eastwood was in the early 80s for sure.

Moving Panels: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean Scarface is just I mean you asked some people nowadays. They don't know…

Timothy Williams: No, yeah.

Moving Panels: what Sudden Impact is,…

Moving Panels: but they know what Scarface is. Man, and a amazing to think that three million dollars and…

Timothy Williams: For sure.

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: it placed fourth?

Moving Panels: Three million dollars would just be that was a huge flop.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, exactly. Mr. Rotten Tomatoes gave it 70% on the Tomato Meter with a 64% audience score IMDb, which is not too far off 6.8 out of 10 with viewers and a 57 on metacrick, which I think is actually kind of high for Metacritic. But I'm going with the audience score for Rotten Tomatoes 64 seems pretty accurate.

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Moving Panels: Yeah. I would be in the 60s with that one as well again, it's It's not one. You're gonna want to just watch again.

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: But I mean, you're not necessarily gonna dislike it while you're watching it. So

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I mean It is fairly entertaining it didn't hold my attention as well. As I would have liked. it's right at two hours. So it's a pretty lengthy and…

Moving Panels: Yeah.

Timothy Williams: it drags in a couple of spots, but

Timothy Williams: But overall it's not terrible, but it could have been a lot better for sure.

Moving Panels: Absolutely. I mean, yeah if they had and I know it was 83, but I mean come on we had seen more Gore in Halloween and…

Timothy Williams: he

Moving Panels: Friday the 13th. Because I honestly do not think especially once you mentioned it earlier. I don't think you see a drop of blood anywhere in this movie because

Timothy Williams: yeah, I'm trying to think if there was and I don't remember.

Moving Panels: As yeah because buddy is run over but he's on fire the kid that gets blown up in the gas station.

Timothy Williams: Mm- Don't see right.

Moving Panels: You don't see his body or anything. I don't even think when moochie is crushed. I think you just see him lunch forward,…

Timothy Williams: mmm Yeah.

Moving Panels: but I don't think you see anything.

Timothy Williams: Even it yeah.

Moving Panels: and of course Darnell being crushed like you would think maybe blood comes out of his mouth or…

Timothy Williams: Mm-hmm

Moving Panels: something. But no, he's in fact still got a cigar in his mouth.

Timothy Williams: yeah, yeah,…

Moving Panels: I'm pretty sure.

Timothy Williams: even the guys at the beginning and the factory it closes on his hand that but you don't see any blood. Yeah.

Moving Panels: Money, yeah. You see it wrapped up as he's and I don't even think the wrapping is red. I think he's just show it wrapped up. Yeah, I don't think there's a drop of blood in this movie.

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Timothy Williams: Yeah.

Moving Panels: Yeah, yeah if they had in a ramped up the language,…

Timothy Williams: And I wonder…

Moving Panels: this would have been rated PG.

Timothy Williams: if Carpenter was trying to scale a back because maybe he felt like the thing didn't do as well because it was.

Timothy Williams: too much on the horror end and not so…

Moving Panels: Which movie do we remember now though,…

Timothy Williams: but I don't know.

Timothy Williams: I definitely remember the thing. Yeah.

Moving Panels: John Carpenter?

Moving Panels: Which movie is talked about more?

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I will gladly put in the thing to watch on a regular basis over this one.

Moving Panels: Absolutely. Yeah, the only reason the thing is one you don't watch an awful lot is because how gory it is.

Timothy Williams: Yeah, I mean but it's so well done.

Moving Panels: I mean Yeah, I mean the guy's stomach opening up and…

Timothy Williams: mmm

Moving Panels: eating the guy's arms like that is burned into my mind. And so if I can go a little bit while without actually seeing it and just having it in my mind. I think I'm better off.

Timothy Williams: All thanks Laramie for joining anything else. You just want to mention before we wrap it up. I think we've talked about it pretty well.

Moving Panels: No, I think that pretty much covers it again. I'm always game for You've had me on for several books to movies funny enough. I'm actually reading another Stephen King one that was turned into a movie but it was an 80s. I'm reading Gerald's Game right now,…

Timothy Williams: Yeah, that was a Netflix. Yeah.

Moving Panels: which is said that Netflix movie. yeah, but I'm always game for these and I love Stephen King, even if I haven't read the book.

Timothy Williams: So I think that was one of things like why I watched this past Halloween was because of I hadn't seen a lot of the early ones. I watched Carrie which is not an 80s movie. I watched Christine.

Timothy Williams: I'm trying to think what else jo? I haven't seen yet. I remember seeing Cujo as a kid or we saw it on TV, but I'm sure I watched most of it with my head and my pillow because I wasn't ready to really watch it. I saw pet cemetery…

Moving Panels: Yeah, yeah.

Timothy Williams: which is late 80s. That was 89. I remember seeing that one. And I saw Maximum Overdrive.

Moving Panels: That's a good one.

Timothy Williams: So I've seen that one.

Moving Panels: fire starter

Timothy Williams: The fire starter I watched that this past Halloween too. So yeah, so I did catch a few of those. So we'll try to get more of the Stephen King 80s flicks here in the mix. Yeah, but we don't want to talk about that.

Moving Panels: and of course The Shining

Moving Panels: We have talked about that.

Timothy Williams: We have talked about. Yeah, I know…

Moving Panels: What are you talking about?

Timothy Williams: but I want to talk about it again. it was enough the first time. so All right. thanks Laramie for joining be sure to follow subscribe rate and review the podcast support the show through buy me a coffee calm buy a t-shirt on or sweatshirt from the website. And of course you can go to tpublic.com as well to see all We have our new email address info Ace flick flashback.com. So drop us a line. If you enjoyed the episode share with someone who loves 80s flicks as much as you do and be sure to follow us on social media Facebook Instagram and That's it for the 80s flick flashback podcast. I'm Tim Williams. Good night Good people.